EM Pulse no longer a Hold?!

[ChrisMoses]

So, I was playing my Illu/Rad controller Saturday night, and it was the first time I had played him in quite a while. We were raiding Hami, and I turn on my Combat tab so I don't have to listen to the blathering in Broadcast, and I notice this. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/ChrisMoses/EMPulse.jpg)

I know the Blaster APP version of EM Pulse has always been a Disorient - did the Controller version get mistakenly changed? What5 about the Defender one? Has it ALWAYS said it was a Disorient in the combat tab, but not in the actual Power Description? (I really wouldn't know, I don't monitor that tab often.)

Tell me what you think... hope my little annotations on the image come out legible.

Edit: The image is kind of small - you can expand it if you click the lower right corner symbol that shows up (How it was on my CPU at least...)

[Ox_Mox]

Well, a disorient stacked with an immobilize is the same thing as a hold, so the power really wasn't changed at all.

[ChrisMoses]

In circumstances where you need the same effect to stack, like, against Hamidon, bosses, PvP - it does matter.

So, anyone else have any ideas?

[Flux_Vector]

The defender version always was a hold but had the same graphic effect as a disorient. Hopefully it hasn't been changed.

[Impact_Hazard]

EM Pulse has been that way for a long time (at least 6 months). Ever since my Earth/Rad hit 50 during the first half of 2005 and I started attending Hami Raids, I've seen that EM Pulse says it disorients and immobilizes. And people there argued some about if it was a true hold or not, and has always been agreed that since the power takes Hold enhancements (and they noticeably affect duration) that the power is a hold.

Here's an easy test - try EM Pulse out on foes that resist disorient but not holds. Siege's minions and Nemesis Jaegers aren't disoriented by 1 application of my Stalagmites, but they are affected by 1 application of EM Pulse.

[Catwhoorg]

EMP and Choking cloud stacked to hold a boss, have doen since I had the power, and used again tonight.

[Sakura_Kitsuki]

It really is a hold, despite what the combat window reports. This can easily be tested with stacking. That's a bit harder if you're a defender, but if you don't have Choking Cloud, you can use Tesla Cage if you're /elec, Cosmic Burst if you're /rad, and Dark Pit if you're /dark. Tesla Cage is a hold and will stack with EMP to hold a boss. Cosmic Burst and Dark Pit are disorients, and will not stack with EMP to disorient a boss.

[Narcissus]

Just an error in the combat log text.

-It's been a "hold" since release
-It has said "disorient" since release

Shocked you never noticed it before.

[ChrisMoses]

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Just an error in the combat log text.

-It's been a "hold" since release
-It has said "disorient" since release

Shocked you never noticed it before.

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I just never look at the thing... In my experiences, it has always seemed like a Hold - thats why I was so shocked to see it listed as a Disorient.

So, you have to realize how much I did not want to see the Broadcast to switch tot he combet tab instead, heh.

Thanks for clearing that up for me everyone.

[_Brev__NA]

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Tesla Cage is a hold and will stack with EMP to hold a boss.

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I've never had the power myself, but I was under the impression that EMP is a Mag 4 hold and will hold bosses in one hit anyway? Is that not the case?

[Tal_N]

Not many of the AoE powers are anything more than Mag 2 at the most. Too powerful else. I'm not aware of anything holding a boss without it being a single target effect.

[Orochi]

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Not many of the AoE powers are anything more than Mag 2 at the most. Too powerful else. I'm not aware of anything holding a boss without it being a single target effect.

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I believe Salt Crystals from Earth control can hold bosses in one hit, that or I've been really, really, really lucky with my +1 mags. (I'm hit a group containing three Freaktanks and slept all three)

[BlackSly]

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Not many of the AoE powers are anything more than Mag 2 at the most. Too powerful else. I'm not aware of anything holding a boss without it being a single target effect.

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I believe Salt Crystals from Earth control can hold bosses in one hit, that or I've been really, really, really lucky with my +1 mags. (I'm hit a group containing three Freaktanks and slept all three)

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Controllers get a chance for a "critical mez" that boosts Mag by 1, with any mez. Including AoEs (other than, I believe, Telekinesis). The chance seems different on different powers (I've seen the Sleep powers hit bosses relatively often, while the Holds are much less dependable).

[Rad_Chick]

Just chiming in, the combat log has said that for as long as I can remember, but it is a hold.

[Q_Arkhan]

EMP is stacking HOLD on Fake Nemesis/War Hulk bosses quite nicely.

The text is incorrect.

[Castle]

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I know the Blaster APP version of EM Pulse has always been a Disorient - did the Controller version get mistakenly changed? What5 about the Defender one? Has it ALWAYS said it was a Disorient in the combat tab, but not in the actual Power Description? (I really wouldn't know, I don't monitor that tab often.)

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It's a Hold, the descriptive text for the hit is just a bit more colorful than many others.

[Sakura_Kitsuki]

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Tesla Cage is a hold and will stack with EMP to hold a boss.

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I've never had the power myself, but I was under the impression that EMP is a Mag 4 hold and will hold bosses in one hit anyway? Is that not the case?

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It often will, but not always. EMP has a very high critical chance, easily 50% or more. I have seen it fail to hold bosses on occasion with my Earth/Radiation controller, although it works more often than it doesn't.

[Katfood]

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Tesla Cage is a hold and will stack with EMP to hold a boss.

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I've never had the power myself, but I was under the impression that EMP is a Mag 4 hold and will hold bosses in one hit anyway? Is that not the case?

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It often will, but not always. EMP has a very high critical chance, easily 50% or more. I have seen it fail to hold bosses on occasion with my Earth/Radiation controller, although it works more often than it doesn't.

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Um, is that the result of a crit, or the result of a Bosses resistance to the hold?

[UncleChernobyl]

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Tesla Cage is a hold and will stack with EMP to hold a boss.

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I've never had the power myself, but I was under the impression that EMP is a Mag 4 hold and will hold bosses in one hit anyway? Is that not the case?

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It often will, but not always. EMP has a very high critical chance, easily 50% or more. I have seen it fail to hold bosses on occasion with my Earth/Radiation controller, although it works more often than it doesn't.

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Um, is that the result of a crit, or the result of a Bosses resistance to the hold?

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That's the result of the critical. Against a large group of Devouring Earth with 2 or more bosses (greater or lessor devoured), EMP usually will crit hold one while the other is uneffected.

[Neparos]

EM Pulse seemed to be working just fine for my rad/rad as of yesterday or so. I hope that the blaster EM Pulse isn't a disorient though, I would like my blaster to pick that up eventually (EM Pulse + a new and improved arrow rain ftw)

[Neparos]

EM Pulse seemed to be working just fine for my rad/rad as of yesterday or so. I hope that the blaster EM Pulse isn't a disorient though, I would like my blaster to pick that up eventually (EM Pulse + a new and improved arrow rain ftw)

[Tin_Soldier]

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EM Pulse seemed to be working just fine for my rad/rad as of yesterday or so. I hope that the blaster EM Pulse isn't a disorient though, I would like my blaster to pick that up eventually (EM Pulse + a new and improved arrow rain ftw)

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According to the Blaster Ancillary Pools (Overview) by deadboy_champion here (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Number=2346864) it is a disorient. I just popped over to test to try it again. Definitely the drunk walk. It also has an 800 (eight hundred) second recharge.

[Kari_Trishfall]

You can bet your but the flash doesnt have supression, he lapped the world over and over kick lex's butt on JLU.