Naruto, again!

[Talia_Rayvyn]

They're probably immune, but they lack the Captain level power to do anything about it.


Iunno about that, Uryuu's a Quincy not a Shinigami. Shinigami get their powers from the spirit pressure within their bodies, so yeah if a Shinigami's 'power level' isn't on par with their opponent there's not much they can do about it. But the Quincy pull spirit energy from their surroundings, compress it and fire it out as an arrow. The more spirit energy that's around the more powerful the Quincy, hence why he was able to hold his own in Heuco Mundo and as a better example when he was helping Ichigo release his energy with those BIIIIIG arrows after the original Menos fight.

So I think he'd be just as capable of taking down Aizen as Ichigo, especially since the Fake Karakura is currently being inhabited by lots of Vizards and Captain-level Shinigami to saturate the spirit energy.

[LunarKnight]

Uryuu doesn't have enough main character power to take down Aizen. Even Ichigo admits he's only capable of winning because the author says he has to :p

[La De Da]

*L* Stepping away from the teen drama for a fight. Atleast we know where the priority is.

[Kamina]

caught a episode of the Shippuden dub on Disney XD....Naruto's voice is still horrible.

[La De Da]

*Shrug* Same voice actor from the first series. What did you think he was going to sound like?

[Kamina]

*Shrug* Same voice actor from the first series. What did you think he was going to sound like?

was hoping for a change >_>

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Naruto Manga is out early.

Naruto needs to learn Jinchuuriki control from Killerbee, nuff said.


Also Kisame has made the mistake of removing his Akatsuki cloak. I wonder if he'll be the first of the organzation to break the cloak curse, or if his plot no jutsu shield has run out.

[ryu_planeswalker]

Kisame is gonna win, he has to for dramatic effect.

[Kamina]

Naruto was pretty good and for some reason I think Bee v. Kisame is gonna end w/ Kisame having to back off, now I wait for One Piece :D

a quick edit of my initial reaction to the Bleach chapter...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6407/35abatmanbitchslap.jpg

[Mr_Hellcat]

One Piece's off this week again.

[Kamina]

One Piece's off this week again.

*headdesk*

[Talia_Rayvyn]

a quick edit of my initial reaction to the Bleach chapter...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6407/35abatmanbitchslap.jpg



Hahahahaha!

Yeah Bleach was ok. Ichigo's powerlevel keeps flip-flopping the longer he's running down Snake Way.

[La De Da]

Yeah but unlike Goku, Ichigo got a woman to keep him company. Atleast one that won't try to eat him.

[Gulver]

Did Kisame just turn into Captain Mako?

[La De Da]

Did Kisame just turn into Captain Mako?
Hmmm, hello lawsuit. :p
http://www.cityofheroes.com/about_the_game/images/Captain-Maco.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/PLLDD/17-crop.jpg

[Rieze]

Did Kisame just turn into Captain Mako?

He's Mako with a tail.

[Kamina]

Kisame is Mako's father *nod*

[ryu_planeswalker]

Naruto was pretty good and for some reason I think Bee v. Kisame is gonna end w/ Kisame having to back off, now I wait for One Piece :D

a quick edit of my initial reaction to the Bleach chapter...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6407/35abatmanbitchslap.jpg

I would have that reaction as well...if his bankai didn't give him new clothing.

Also...can we have a full filler arc in the anime dedicated to Kenpachi and.. Captain Betterthanthou being stuck in enemy territory?

[Durakken]

Assuming Ichigo is right...since his clothes are always ripped does that indicate that his reitsu is never 100%?

[Leo_G]

Aside: Danzo is gonna get himself a byakugan and f*** up everybody with the sharingan combo before his brain blows out of the back of his head!

*nods*

[Mr_Hellcat]

Aside: Danzo is gonna get himself a byakugan and f*** up everybody with the sharingan combo before his brain blows out of the back of his head!

*nods*

I'm going to laugh when the self-decapitation fails.

[Durakken]

I want Aizen to say "who do you think you are?" to Ichigo some time during their fight and Ichigo to say "I'm the god damned batman"

[ryu_planeswalker]

I want Aizen to say "who do you think you are?" to Ichigo some time during their fight and Ichigo to say "I'm the god damned batman"

That or pull a Kamina and respond "Who the hell do you think I am!"

but that is mostly so we can hear that line with all the bravado that Bosh can put into it.

[NetMinder]

Aside: Danzo is gonna get himself a byakugan and f*** up everybody with the sharingan combo before his brain blows out of the back of his head!

*nods*


Except that transplanted eyes cant be turned off. He doesnt have the power to use the eyes continiously so he would be blind most of the time. Kakashi is no slouch and he cant use his Sharingan for very long... imagine Danzo using both eyes... for 2 seconds and passing out.


As for Kisame looking like Mako.. anthro sharks have been around a long time. Mako and his shape are not unique.

But while im here, I did notice while the sword was able to absorb alot of Bee's cloak, it lost some teeth. So defeating him requires one of 2 things, overloading him or draining him back. Guy was able to defeat the weakened clone Kisame with the Forbidden Gates technique (overload), what happens if someoneelse has a drain power like one of the Pains did? Or a sealing power (like the seal used on Naruto/Kyuubi to return him to normal) that would seal the sword from transferring the stolen energy? Just thinking out loud here....

[Leo_G]

You're no fun >_>

Except that transplanted eyes cant be turned off. He doesnt have the power to use the eyes continiously so he would be blind most of the time. Kakashi is no slouch and he cant use his Sharingan for very long... imagine Danzo using both eyes... for 2 seconds and passing out.

I did comment on being practically blind the last post I made about it. But really, having a Byakugan eye that can't be turned off kinda nullifies being blind with the whole being able to see 350 degrees and through solid objects thing.



But while im here, I did notice while the sword was able to absorb alot of Bee's cloak, it lost some teeth. So defeating him requires one of 2 things, overloading him or draining him back. Guy was able to defeat the weakened clone Kisame with the Forbidden Gates technique (overload), what happens if someoneelse has a drain power like one of the Pains did? Or a sealing power (like the seal used on Naruto/Kyuubi to return him to normal) that would seal the sword from transferring the stolen energy? Just thinking out loud here....

Or um, just not getting hit by the sword. Anyone particularly skilled at taijutsu could manage that and then just disarm him. Or just use a genjutsu and take away the sword. After that, you just deal with the whole 'floaty back to master' ability the sword has. Just deal with Kisame before the sword can return.

[NetMinder]

Guy did disarm him, and then got a handle full of spikes when he tried to pick up the sword.

[Genesis Man]

Gai did disarm him, and then got a handle full of spikes when he tried to pick up the sword.

Fixed. :p

[ryu_planeswalker]

Fixed. :p

No...it was fine the first time.

Infact it is better as Guy...because Might(y) Guy works better as a Pun with Guy instead of Gai.

[Rieze]

Naruto was pretty good and for some reason I think Bee v. Kisame is gonna end w/ Kisame having to back off, now I wait for One Piece :D

a quick edit of my initial reaction to the Bleach chapter...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6407/35abatmanbitchslap.jpg

Ive been reading Mangas way too long. I read that right to left when I first saw it.

[Tenzhi]

Ive been reading Mangas way too long. I read that right to left when I first saw it.

I've been there SO many times...

[LunarKnight]

I've been there SO many times...

Questionable Content and Penny Arcade always read like gibberish on Fridays.

Ichigo's explanation made enough sense I suppose. Stupid its never been mentioned before, but makes as much sense as anything else these days. Hopefully the upcoming battle redeems the rest of the series, though that might lead to the creation of some sort of uber pink blob villain when Jump won't let him quit.

[ryu_planeswalker]

Hey...the Buu saga was great just for Vegeta's fight against Fatty.

[Kamina]

plus Byakuya killed the uber pink guy already, though I'm sure most of us forgot about Zommari :p

[ryu_planeswalker]

But most of his fights are forgettable, about the only memorable things of byakuya is his hair shingles and his disaffected tude.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

But most of his fights are forgettable, about the only memorable things of byakuya is his hair shingles and his disaffected tude.

I think Byakuya is most memorable cause of the Shinigami Cups. He's hilaaaaaaarious.

[ryu_planeswalker]

I think Byakuya is most memorable cause of the Shinigami Cups. He's hilaaaaaaarious.

But all his fights are the same thing...

Ichigo/Renji/Espada guy :"I am gonna win"

Byakuya :"You your not, cause I am better than you cause I was born with roofing in my hair."

I/R/E : "Arrgh I been cut by a thousand razor blades like some emo kid!" *falls over*

[Kamina]

except Ichigo won :o

[ryu_planeswalker]

only cause Hollow Ichigo came out of the closet.

[Kamina]

now I have to listen to that R. Kelly song...thanks ryu! :mad:

[ryu_planeswalker]

*snickers* It could be worse...

Ichigo : "Byakuya I am gonna Win Bankai.."

Hollow Ichigo "Now Ichigo I am gonna let you finish, but, Kenpachi has one of the best Shonnen Power ups of all time."

[Mr_Hellcat]

Aww, Killer Bee made a new friend! :O

[NetMinder]

So Samahada is a fickle beast. Kisame is pretty buff in his own right, but without a gaint energy absorbing sword, he loses quite a bit of bite.

[McNum]

D'awww! Who's a cute little chakra absorbing sword? You are! Yes you are! Yes you are!

[ryu_planeswalker]

You gotta love how Kisame just Punts the darned thing.

[Gulver]

Okay, Kisame is just awesome.

[LunarKnight]

You gotta love how Kisame just Punts the darned thing.

I'd do the exact same thing if it had just stabbed me straight through the middle of my hand.

[Gulver]

"BAD SWORD!"

*kick it like a puppy*

[Rieze]

Reminds me of a scene in "The Mack". "Hey, Kisame, your sword just chose me. We can settle this like some men, or we can get into some gangsta s***." Lol

[starphoenix]

What we have to see is if Kisame captures Killer Bee or not. I doubt Kisame will defeat Killer Bee and his sword crawls back to him if he wins. Either Killer Bee defeats Kisame and gains a new sword/friend or Kisame beats Killer Bee and gets defeated later on because he no longer has his sword. I imagine who will win will depend on how much Chakra was transferred to Killer Bee before the sword was kicked away.

[Genesis Man]

So, um... Hi.

I'm WAY behind in the Shippuden, and don't quite know the show THAT well yet. I'm half way through the "Three-Tails Intro" arc, i.e. filler... and I was wondering when the arc ended and the canon arc begins again?

Honestly, the filler isn't that bad, but I hate having to wade through all of the "backstory" that's never ever going to matter again.

[Rieze]

So, um... Hi.

I'm WAY behind in the Shippuden, and don't quite know the show THAT well yet. I'm half way through the "Three-Tails Intro" arc, i.e. filler... and I was wondering when the arc ended and the canon arc begins again?

Honestly, the filler isn't that bad, but I hate having to wade through all of the "backstory" that's never ever going to matter again.

The filler ends with tobi capturing the 3 tails. I forget what episode number.

The filler wasn't that bad. I did enjoy seeing naruto vs kabuto pt. 2, though.

[Boomie]

The anime's interpretation of the sauce vs Itachi fight is weak. That is all.

[catsi563]

Oh boomie that fights just getting started. they havent even kicked into the mid rounds yet.

[McNum]

Yeah, the manga start of the fight was rather weak, too. So far it's just a staring contest, Sharingan style. The real fight is about to start.

[ryu_planeswalker]

A thought just occured to me about Sakura's confession. She made Rock Lee Face Palm.

ROCK LEE! Who is basically a mini version of Guy (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/281/13/) who has more than his fair share of dumb moments, and acts as generally the comic relif (shared with Naruto) of the Show.

Sorry...I just had that thought while describing recent goings on to a freind.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Naruto this week:

Ode to Kisame-
You had a good run, you managed to outlast Itachi in the storyline and most of the other Akatsuki, including Pain.

But you really shouldn't have taken off your cloak. :p



Edit:
And this just in for Bleach:
Yammy's the Hulk, Hiyori has managed to not bleed out, Aizen still likes to monologue and...
Are Tousen and Gin about to show that there's a perfected version of the Shinigami/Hollow hybrid. And if so will this new power stop the "lolTousen" comments? That is the real question.


PS: Like the siggy Ryu_planeswalker

[ryu_planeswalker]

Thanks...with recent events in my life(My fiance left me at the begining of October) I've been watching alot of Gurren Laggan.

Also...we need to have Jim Ross be the Narrarator for any episode with The Raikage in it...just for the inevitable "OH MY! OH MY!"

[Raizen_NA]

The Itachi vs. Sasuke showdown is on the Viz website now. Some sort of hour-long special. Has anyone seen it yet?

Oh, and I greatly enjoyed watching Jiraiya battle Pain.

[ryu_planeswalker]

I saw it on Hulu if you are talking about the episodes "The longest Moment" and "The Dark and Light of the Mangekyo" MY GOD is it lame.

First Episode : You remember all those flashbacks we showed at the end of Part 1? Well here they are again, but with some extra bits that don't really add anything, aside from one minor detail that...is gonna confuse alot of people, that or just make people think Itachi can't count.

The Sauce : "I CAN BEAT YOU!"

Itachi : "Lul What?"

The Sauce : "Super Orochimaru Powers GO!"

Itachi : "I am sick of these Blanking Snakes on this Blanking Anime, Screw it" *pimpslaps Sauske and grabs him by the eye*

Fade to Black.

[Kamina]

yeah the filler bits and drawn out scenes were kinda annoying

[Rieze]

I haven't read the new bleach yet.

Nothing beats a tag team decapitation.

Black flames vs lightning bolts and neither of them work. The manga made this fight seem so legendary but the sauske vs diedera fight was much better. Guess it will pick up when sauske turns into the snake dragon next episode.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I liked the hour-long special honestly. Seeing the murder flashback from Itachi's perspective was nice, the updated animation for it was super nice, and I liked them showing that Itachi killed everyone with his sword. :p:p

I also liked seeing Madara/His Brother's flashback in animated form. Makes me anxious to see when they animate THIS (http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm278/jagger_jacks/Madara_vs_Hashirama.png) scene from the manga.


I will agree the Deidara/Sasuke fight was a lot of fun to watch and so was Chiyo+Sakura/Saosori. The rest of the Akatsuki match-ups were...skippable lol.

[starphoenix]

I also liked seeing Madara/His Brother's flashback in animated form. Makes me anxious to see when they animate THIS (http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm278/jagger_jacks/Madara_vs_Hashirama.png) scene from the manga.


There are certain scenes that should never be animated since they have the potential to destroy all of reality due to the amount of awesomeness contained in a single point. Such an event would create something similar to a black hole.

[Kamina]

was curious to why Madara's brother had a different looking Mangekyou Sharingan...

[Talia_Rayvyn]

was curious to why Madara's brother had a different looking Mangekyou Sharingan...

Different from the manga or different from Madara?


Also 137 came out this week (which means it'll be on Viz next week) and it ends with the rainstorm starting and the Sauce proclaiming he's going to recreate how he sees Itachi dying. And the week after is titled "The End" so it looks like the fight lasted 4 episodes which isn't bad.

[Kamina]

different from Madara, I went and looked for the chapter cause I thought the anime changed it for whatever reason (like Neji's branded tattoo). So I just assumed his looked different because of the whole "Eternal Light" assumption

[starphoenix]

Madara's current Mangekyo Sharingan is a combination of his and his brother's original Mangekyo Sharingans. There is apparently 5 people that have had the Mangekyo Sharingan and each of them had a different pattern. My guess is that it is based on some personal marker within the person that gives a particular pattern. There is also the possibility that each Mangekyo Sharingan gives a different set of powers to their owners. Due to Itachi's influence on Sasuke, Sasuke has the same eye techniques as Itachi. Kakashi has his dimensional barrier technique and we don't know what Madara's and his brother's techniques are so it is unlikely that the three powers that Itachi has are common to the Mangekyo Sharingan.

[Kamina]

alright, I see where I was mistaken...I thought Itachi, Sasuke and Kakashi had the same looking Mangekyo. Back tracked a bit and saw Kakashi's Mangekyo is sharper looking than Itachi's and that Sasuke only had Itachi's pattern for that one scene w/ Madara.

and now I have a headache from all that reading :p

[Talia_Rayvyn]

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad204/Ghiore/sharingans.jpg

Yup, as you can see all of the Mangekyou's are different. Sasuke's Mangekyou actually is interesting because I've heard that it is an inversion of Itachi's if you switch the red/black colors around and follow the lines... or something like that.

[Rieze]

Different from the manga or different from Madara?


Also 137 came out this week (which means it'll be on Viz next week) and it ends with the rainstorm starting and the Sauce proclaiming he's going to recreate how he sees Itachi dying. And the week after is titled "The End" so it looks like the fight lasted 4 episodes which isn't bad.

People actually wait for it to drop on VIZ?

[ryu_planeswalker]

Yes, becuse If viz gets money from giving us subs online, they will keep doing it. If they don't I bet they will stop.

[Kamina]

People actually wait for it to drop on VIZ?

maybe those who can't view it on Hulu?

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I decided to watch Naruto from the beginning today, fillers included!

Then if I'm not completely burned out I'll start on Shippuden afterwards.


I gotta say seeing Naruto when he couldn't even do a Clone technique was quite a shock from the Mass-Clone-Sagemode-Pain-Crushing Naruto I'm used too lol.

I also wonder how many people from his graduating class are still alive at the current point of the manga.

[starphoenix]

I also wonder how many people from his graduating class are still alive at the current point of the manga.

Didn't most of them fail their first test as ninjas? They only show Team 7,8,10,and Team Guy so it is assumed that either the other teams are rather mediocre or they never made it as genin.

[Leo_G]

Different from the manga or different from Madara?


Also 137 came out this week (which means it'll be on Viz next week) and it ends with the rainstorm starting and the Sauce proclaiming he's going to recreate how he sees Itachi dying. And the week after is titled "The End" so it looks like the fight lasted 4 episodes which isn't bad.

Technically, there probably won't be much if any fighting in that 4th episode, just lots of flashbacks and all explaining Itachi's intentions.

[Mr_Hellcat]

:O The Seventh! Madara vs Danzo! THE SEVENTH! :O :O :O

[LunarKnight]

Good chapters of each this week. Big stuff for quite a few characters in Naruto this week and the final pages are great looking. Definitely looking forward to next week. Bleach was in top form as well. Now that we're done with the Espada filler, it seems the story can actually pick up where it left off... how many years ago? Tousen needs to either betray Aizen or have a long rambling explanation at this point or he's just going to stop making any sense however. His last line here makes no sense at all. Cool hollow form though; reminds me a lot of Hakumen from BlazBlue in a lot of ways.

[McNum]

:O The Seventh! Madara vs Danzo! THE SEVENTH! :O :O :O

Actually, Danzo wasn't sworn in yet, was he? He was the acting Hokage, not the real one. That's actually still Tsunade. Same with Kakashi now. He's the top candidate to take the title now, but it's still Tsunade who's the Fifth. Danzo never became the Sixth.

By the way, notice that Naruto becomes silent after page 10? He doesn't say a word. That's really creepy, considering that it's Naruto. It's like Spider-man. When he stops talking, there's trouble brewing. Then again, we have pretty much all of the Konoha nine... well eight, Kakashi, Yamato and Gaara with his siblings in the same area now and likely all going after Sasuke. That's trouble. Not to mention Danzo and Madara. No one has given Madara even token resistance yet, so that'll be interesting.

The third panel of page 11 is probably the most telling of this issue, though. A silent Naruto, his head bowed, and that Team 7 picture we always see, shattering in the background. What he does next, once he recovers, is going to be interesting.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I liked them both this week.

Yay for HoKage Kakashi Hataki!! He's had that coming for a long time now.... course I think it'd been more fitting if they said: "Since you're evenly matched you and Gai are now both HoKages".

I think Tousen saying "That I would die a Shinigami like you." says a lot about him and will probably lead back to some deep seeded hatred against the Shinigami via flashback.

[ShoNuff]

So I watched "The End" episode... Dang here I expected the fight to escalate.. but wow... felt kind of anti-climatic..

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I just watched it too. That's pretty much how the manga went Sho, Itachi died of a heart-attack...or something lol. They never actually explained what killed him. I personally blame the rock, it was an unstoppable opponent.


Also I learned that the Susan-woo is blood-red in color and that the one snake that "got away" during the Orochimaru sealing got burned up by the Amaretsu flames. Yay for closure.

[Boomie]

For some reason the Sauce vs Itachi fight did seem more boring in the anime than in the manga.:(

Anywho this weeks Naruto and Bleach were really good. I can't wait to see the next Naruto and see Danzo attempt to hurt Madara.

[Gulver]

I think the retelling of the event at the Kage Summit would have sounded hilarious if it was Gaara telling it.

Gaara: Madara plan to fight against the 5 Element Nations, starting the 4th Great Ninja War.

Naruto: With what army? There's like shark guy, that weird plant guy, and Sasuke's gang left in Akatasuki.

Gaara: Not only that but he plan to conquer the world using the moon.

Naruto: ....
Kakashi: .....
Tenzo: .....
Sai: ....
Kakashi: How exactly does that work?

Gaara: There's a 10th tailed beast in the moon that can only be released when all the Biju are gathered away and Madara plan to become a Jinchurnki(sp) for it.

Nartuo: Wait, what? The Kyubi could only be sealed in an newborn since it's chakra coils wasn't developed and Madara plan to seal a stronger Biju in him, a full grown adult? I can't tell if Madara completly insane or is lying his *** off.

[NetMinder]

It would have been way better if instead of:

"Cover me while I release the seal on my right arm."

Danzo said:

"'xcuse me while I whip this out."




Im just sayin'...

[Fiery-Enforcer]

I just watched it too. That's pretty much how the manga went Sho, Itachi died of a heart-attack...or something lol. They never actually explained what killed him. I personally blame the rock, it was an unstoppable opponent.


Also I learned that the Susan-woo is blood-red in color and that the one snake that "got away" during the Orochimaru sealing got burned up by the Amaretsu flames. Yay for closure.

It was apparent that Itachi had some sort of disease. That along with the strain of using Susano'o is seemed what killed him. Overall, I think the fight was well done except for some poor choices of music.

I'm curious what Danzo is going to try to do against Madaras, lolphase.

[ryu_planeswalker]

I think the retelling of the event at the Kage Summit would have sounded hilarious if it was Gaara telling it.

Gaara: Madara plan to fight against the 5 Element Nations, starting the 4th Great Ninja War.

Naruto: With what army? There's like shark guy, that weird plant guy, and Sasuke's gang left in Akatasuki.

Gaara: Not only that but he plan to conquer the world using the moon.

Naruto: ....
Kakashi: .....
Tenzo: .....
Sai: ....
Kakashi: How exactly does that work?

Gaara: There's a 10th tailed beast in the moon that can only be released when all the Biju are gathered away and Madara plan to become a Jinchurnki(sp) for it.

Nartuo: Wait, what? The Kyubi could only be sealed in an newborn since it's chakra coils wasn't developed and Madara plan to seal a stronger Biju in him, a full grown adult? I can't tell if Madara completly insane or is lying his *** off.

Madara : Insane and Lying are not mutually exclusive things *takes mask off revealing Evil Alternate universe Freakazoid*

[La De Da]

Wow, a whole lot of plot in this week Naruto. What the rush? Heck, the Bleach manga sure taking it's sweet [Censored] time.

[Mr_Hellcat]

Wow, a whole lot of plot in this week Naruto. What the rush? Heck, the Bleach manga sure taking it's sweet [Censored] time.

I don't think it's a rush so much as the fact that that's just how much plot there is in Naruto compared to Bleach.

[catsi563]

A good chapter this week. It confirmed for me several things ive suspected and a couple im still pretty confident of.

Sakura wasnt lying about being in love with Naruto she only kept the rookies decision to kill Sasuke from him. Sai confirmed this much.

Sakuras plan is to confront Sasuke one last time on her own and end him. this is something ive suspected her character would need to do before the end of the manga given what happend in chapter 3 during the bench scene.

Naruto was living in a team 7 pre shippuden perfect little world. A world which shattered like a mirror being hit with a sledgehammer. Thanks to Sai and Sakura and Gaara.

Also looks like the madara is Danzo theory just took a major hit.

really looking forward to the Sakura vrs Sasuke confrontation

[Fiery-Enforcer]

I'm curious though, what does Sakura think she can do to Sasuke?

[McNum]

Well, she is the queen of chakra control, and can punch through a mountain. It's not as one-sided as it might look. I wouldn't put it beyond her to break a Mangekyou Sharingan genjutsu. If there's any ninja in the series who could do that on chakra control alone, it's her. It's also about time for her next power upgrade, anyway. Post timeskip, she's the only one of Team 7 who hasn't gotten one apart from the initial training she did with Tsunade. We don't even know her element, yet. Water, perhaps? That'd be handy if she and Naruto were to tag-team Sasuke at some point. Wind and Water vs. Fire and Lightning.

That and she may have something up her sleeve, she's too smart to go after Sasuke unprepared. Actually, have we seen Sakura going all out yet? She was pretty good against Sasori, but that wasn't her normal style since she was puppeteered for most of the fight. What can she do, anyway? Dodge, obviously, but what else?

[Mr_Hellcat]

She's one of the most capable ones when it comes to breaking illusions. I wouldn't be surprised if she can pull off something along the lines of the gate release but through medicine or go the poison route.

Edit: Whatever she does, it'll either be badass or be badass and a very VERY dark twist to her character to show her resolve in taking out Sasuke.

[McNum]

If we consider what she can already do, I'd actually guess some kind of invulnerability for her next. She can use her chakra to harden her fists and make a punch than can shatter boulders, without even getting a bruised knuckle. What happens if she does that to the rest of her body to intercept an incoming attack? Plus, having Sakura become the Tank of the team would be pretty awesome.

[ryu_planeswalker]

If we consider what she can already do, I'd actually guess some kind of invulnerability for her next. She can use her chakra to harden her fists and make a punch than can shatter boulders, without even getting a bruised knuckle. What happens if she does that to the rest of her body to intercept an incoming attack? Plus, having Sakura become the Tank of the team would be pretty awesome.

That one Akatsuki used Earth Elemental to Make him invulnerable, That would give her one element, so she would only need one more to make Jonin, and would give team 7 a user of each element, presuming Sai would go Fire/Lighting since he is a sauske expy.

[NetMinder]

Id bet somewhere on Sakura there is a small purple diamond (aka Tsunade's chakra battery technique). Couple that with some of the nifty medical tehniques (Tsunade and Kabuto) and you have a nasty mix of techniques that appear underwhelming but are devestating. Im not saying she knows Kabuto's heart string technique, but so far Kabuto's medical techniques have gotten past Naruto's defences more than anyone else, and thats no easy task.

And as Jiraya noted (when teaching Naruto), the best way to break genjitsu is with your own chakra to disrupt it... see charka battery above.

She acknowledged her shortcomings along time ago and has been training ever since.


And I stand by my prediction, Naruto will become the 9th Hokage (out of pure irony)... so if Kakashi is the 7th... who is gonna be the 8th?

[starphoenix]

And I stand by my prediction, Naruto will become the 9th Hokage (out of pure irony)... so if Kakashi is the 7th... who is gonna be the 8th?

Konohamaru? Although, it seems like Danzo is not the 6th and considering his current reputation with the other Kages won't ever become Hokage. He will just remain as the cowardly acting Hokage. There is usually some ceremony in most leadership roles where a person is declared the leader. Danzo never had that ceremony. So chances are that Kakashi will be the 6th and we are still missing the 7th and 8th for your theory to pan out. My guess is that Kakashi will be the 6th and Naruto will be the 7th since he seems to be rather lucky.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

And I stand by my prediction, Naruto will become the 9th Hokage (out of pure irony)... so if Kakashi is the 7th... who is gonna be the 8th?

Neither Danzou or Kakashi are the 6th/7th Kage. Danzou was a stand-in temporary Kage until Tsunade woke up from her coma. Kakashi is the replacement stand-in for the stand-in.

Tsunade's not dead so they can't give the title over.


Also, I always figured towards the end of the Manga it'd be Naruto and Konahamaru fighting over the title of Kage.



Annnnnd for a subject we talked about a page ago, the number of Rookie Genin. Kakashi told them only 9 were going to pass, but that is a part of his scare tactics to weed out Genin. While watching Team 7's testing episode I noticed that when Iruka/3rd are talking they go over how Kakashi's not had any Genin pass because his test is so hard.

That means each Jounin gives their own version of the test to their students, and that could be debated if they all even test their new squad, so there's a good chance there were more than the "Rookie Nine" that were active Genin from Naruto's class.
Actually thinking about it, I think they got the title "Rookie Nine" because they were the only nine Genin from their class to go into the Chuunin Exams their first year of being ninja.

[Boomie]

Danzo never had the ceremony because the Jonin haven't placed their votes yet. Seeing how Kakashi is a former ANBU and the son of a hero I'm sure the other Jonin will vote him in. I'd hazard a guess and say that Shikamaru might end up as the 7th hokage. Also a Sakura vs the Sauce fight would be a good one.

[starphoenix]

Don't forget that the order of Hokages went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 5th. So it is possible for Kakashi to be the 6th with Tsunade still alive.

[Leo_G]

Danzo never had the ceremony because the Jonin haven't placed their votes yet. Seeing how Kakashi is a former ANBU and the son of a hero I'm sure the other Jonin will vote him in. I'd hazard a guess and say that Shikamaru might end up as the 7th hokage. Also a Sakura vs the Sauce fight would be a good one.

Hmm, we need a "Shikamaru for Hokage" banner...

[Boomie]

Hmm, we need a "Shikamaru for Hokage" banner...
Agreed. He'd be a really good one as long as he had a strongwilled woman(Temari) to give him a nudge to get him motivated.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Don't forget that the order of Hokages went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 5th. So it is possible for Kakashi to be the 6th with Tsunade still alive.

3rd retired, 4th died, 3rd was forced out of retirement to fill the void since Orochimaru (the next nominee) went bat[censored] crazy and Tsunade/Jiraiya were out wandering around since they were in their "HoKage = [censored]" phase.

So it'd be possible of Tsunade retired..but unless her coma lasts for an unreasonable amount of time they're not going to immediately replace her.


Fun Fact:
During Sarutobi's bell training, Orochimaru and Tsunade got the bells out of his hand. I think that's pretty astounding and was a good indicator that they were on their way to becoming the Legendary Sannin.


And another fun fact:
he Third Great Shinobi World War (第三次忍界大戦, Daisanji Ninkai Taisen) has been rarely shown in the series outside the Kakashi Gaiden (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kakashi_Gaiden) arc. It is suggested that it began with the disappearance of the Third Kazekage (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Kazekage). Sunagakure (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sunagakure) went to such lengths to find its Kazekage that it provoked intervention from neighboring countries.


Soooo Sasori was the cause of a Great Shinobi War...that's hilarious!

[ryu_planeswalker]

*reads a bit clicks to the fourth Kazekage*

The Sand Siblings are actually Related?

[Fiery-Enforcer]

She's one of the most capable ones when it comes to breaking illusions. I wouldn't be surprised if she can pull off something along the lines of the gate release but through medicine or go the poison route.

Edit: Whatever she does, it'll either be badass or be badass and a very VERY dark twist to her character to show her resolve in taking out Sasuke.

I know she's good with chakra control and genjutsu in general. But, I doubt she would be able to break through something like Tsukiyomi when Sasuke barely managed to break out of it with the help of his Sharingan and CS2.

Besides doesn't Tsukiyomi only take a second to activate and only take another second to take effect. If I remember correctly when Kakashi encountered Itachi it felt like he was in Tsukiyomi for hours or days when it was only like one second in reality.

[LunarKnight]

I don't think it's a rush so much as the fact that that's just how much plot there is in Naruto compared to Bleach.

Bleach doesn't really have a plot; its mostly just an excuse for DBZ style power levels. It HAD a plot, but once that was resolved, simply replaced it with an excuse.


Also looks like the madara is Danzo theory just took a major hit.


Has anyone really suspected this for a while? I mean, it could, maybe, sorta somehow happen, but there hasn't been much to support it in quite a while.


Also, I always figured towards the end of the Manga it'd be Naruto and Konahamaru fighting over the title of Kage.


Konahamaru would never ever fight Naruto for the title. He said as much outright in a recent chapter.

*reads a bit clicks to the fourth Kazekage*

The Sand Siblings are actually Related?

Yeah, they're... siblings. Gaara's the youngest.

[ryu_planeswalker]

I thought it was...a Nakama/Blood Brothers/Comerades type Siblingship.

The 4th Kazekage was a Pimp yo...

[Boomie]

Has anyone really suspected this for a while? I mean, it could, maybe, sorta somehow happen, but there hasn't been much to support it in quite a while.
I don't really see how anyone could have suspected Danzo = Madara. I don't think there was ever any evidence to link the two being the same.

[starphoenix]

I don't really see how anyone could have suspected Danzo = Madara. I don't think there was ever any evidence to link the two being the same.

It amounted to the "they are never in the same room" idea. With Kage Bushins, it could be possible that Danzo is just a clone of Madara.

[Boomie]

That would have made the story kinda boring IMO.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Naruto was pretty cool this week. It was spiffy to see that Danzo's two bodyguards are a part of two family lines that we're very familiar with in the show already.



The ending with revealing what is under Danzou's arm was really.....freaky though. Like disturbingly so.

[LunarKnight]

It amounted to the "they are never in the same room" idea. With Kage Bushins, it could be possible that Danzo is just a clone of Madara.

It had more to do with their character designs. Madara wears a mask that covers up everything except his right eye. Danzo wears a bandage over his right eye. Madara has a bunch of pins through his right arm. Danzo keeps his right arm covered in a sling. They also share the same hairstyle and, as mentioned, "the were never in the same room together" but it was more an appearance thing than that.

[McNum]

Umm... Ew. No wonder he kept that arm wrapped up. That's a little disgusting, those really shouldn't go there. On the other hand, litteraly, at least he has spares. The next issue should be fun, I want to see what Danzo can do with those. It's just silly enough to work.

[LunarKnight]

All I can think of is that scene in Aqua Teen Hunter Force when Carl gets beheaded and they make him a new body out of medical transplants, but only get one kind of part.

Personally, I have no idea what that arm is supposed to accomplish. It just looks like pain wrapped in agony. Also, did Madara actually just lose a limb?

[Rieze]

The maga was cool. Madara took care of those two with ease. I think Sauske is in trouble if Madara let's him fight by himself.

Can't wait to get home to watch the new episode of naruto. To see sauske's mangeko (sp) in color should be cool.

One word describes the bleach filler.. Blah

As far as the bleach manga, seeing tousen in hollo form is of no interest to me at all. They need to hurry up and get to aizen vs ssj4 ichigo.

[ryu_planeswalker]

Okay that's it...Kishi needs to take less drugs or more, enough with the freaking Haxeyes...WHY WOULD DANZO DO THAT it makes no sense!

[Durakken]

Okay that's it...Kishi needs to take less drugs or more, enough with the freaking Haxeyes...WHY WOULD DANZO DO THAT it makes no sense!

Because he wasnts to... SEE YOU! dun dun duuuunnn

[ryu_planeswalker]

Yeah for .3 seconds before he uses up his entire chakra supply.

[Stupid_Fanboy]

Easily one of the grossest things in the manga. Ugh.

Imagine the conversation he had with his Root medical ninja when they heard about the Uchiha massacre.

"I want the Sharingan"

"Do you want 2, it'll be tough to pretend to be blind all the time."

"No, I don't want 2."

"good, I'll get one f.."

"I want 20."

"..."

[NetMinder]

Okay that's it...Kishi needs to take less drugs or more, enough with the freaking Haxeyes...WHY WOULD DANZO DO THAT it makes no sense!

Easy, each of the Sharingan eyes hold a special technique. Like his current right eye has the special mind control technique, every eye has its own special sharingan tech. Thats alot of unique abilities he has at his disposal. Im guessing the seals covering them powered them down or possibly stored up energy in them. Way creepy, but way powerful.


And yes Madara lost an arm. Not like he needs them to make seals for his techs or anything. Just crimp his ti-jitsu a bit.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

I'm not sure yet if Danzos arm is really cool or really dumb.

[Boomie]

You mean it's not awesome to see with your arm?:rolleyes:

Those eyes better shoot laser beams or something along those lines...

[Tenzhi]

For some reason I get the feeling that Madara's plans have had something to do with that arm all along.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

And yes Madara lost an arm. Not like he needs them to make seals for his techs or anything. Just crimp his ti-jitsu a bit.

Or he conveniently lost his arm to take Danzou's at the end of this fight.

Not like the Sauce would mind, after all, Madara's an Uchiha so if anyone deserves an arm full of Sharingans its one of his own. :p

[ryu_planeswalker]

Easy, each of the Sharingan eyes hold a special technique. Like his current right eye has the special mind control technique, every eye has its own special sharingan tech. Thats alot of unique abilities he has at his disposal. Im guessing the seals covering them powered them down or possibly stored up energy in them. Way creepy, but way powerful.

Except without the Kekeigenkai Danzo is going to at best Keel over and die horribly after using four or five, Kakashi can pull out two or three with his before croaking and he was the first Choice for Hokage so there should be no way for Danzo to be able to spam those things without his head exploding.

[Boomie]

Except without the Kekeigenkai Danzo is going to at best Keel over and die horribly after using four or five, Kakashi can pull out two or three with his before croaking and he was the first Choice for Hokage so there should be no way for Danzo to be able to spam those things without his head exploding.
This is true. If each do carry its own techniques then he just may use whichever suits his needs at that time. Danzo was a candidate that squared off with Sarutobi for Sandaime way back when. He either knows how to control the eyes very well or he has a pretty large chakra well.

[Mr_Hellcat]

This is true. If each do carry its own techniques then he just may use whichever suits his needs at that time. Danzo was a candidate that squared off with Sarutobi for Sandaime way back when. He either knows how to control the eyes very well or he has a pretty large chakra well.

Who says he doesn't have a Kekeigenkai? No, I'm not saying he's an Uchiha or anything, it just wouldn't surprise me if he somehow gave himself something close to one. He seems to be like Orochimaru but caring about the village. It wouldn't surprise me at all if his plan was to eventually take his followers' abilities as his own if they left Root or something.

[Airhammer]

Yeah for .3 seconds before he uses up his entire chakra supply.

LOL yea if Kakashi has to cover his all the time so it doesnt use up his chakra.. this guy has like 20..

[NetMinder]

Also, he is the leader of Root. In this universe, the leaders aren't left in a position of power out of respect. The leaders are the most powerful of those they lead. Given what we have seen from Root, Danzo has to be bad **** himself.

This might be reading too much into it, but in all the charka maps we have seen of the body, the head has a much smaller amount of pressure points and lines running to compared to the arms. I would wager each sharingan has to be attached at a pressure point and the arms make the most sense.

[Rieze]

This also explains what he would have done with Ao's eye and how it would have been possible.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I think Tousen saying "That I would die a Shinigami like you." says a lot about him and will probably lead back to some deep seeded hatred against the Shinigami via flashback.

Oh Bleach you're so predictable. Silly Tousen joining the Shinigami outta revenge for his dead friend. Wonder if that means him and Aizen have been in collaboration since before they joined or if he has magical future-seeing powers and knew Aizen was gonna join and recruit people or if he had an alternate original plan.

But I'm very interested in what Shinji is gonna be up too since he's never released his sword around Aizen.

Course thanks to his Absolute Hypnosis, the real Aizen could be oogling Rangiku's cleavage while observing what Shinji's capabilities from afar are. :p

[ryu_planeswalker]

Also, he is the leader of Root. In this universe, the leaders aren't left in a position of power out of respect. The leaders are the most powerful of those they lead. Given what we have seen from Root, Danzo has to be bad **** himself.

This might be reading too much into it, but in all the charka maps we have seen of the body, the head has a much smaller amount of pressure points and lines running to compared to the arms. I would wager each sharingan has to be attached at a pressure point and the arms make the most sense.

good argument but there can not be that big of a difference between kakashi and danzo if they picked kakashi as the homkage above danzo, the only reason kakashi isn't hokage is because the council are dopes who went with danzo after he said "kakashi? He is so gaayyy and so are all the other great heroes of the past generation, pick me instead"

[NetMinder]

Another quirk of the universe is that you get stronger, or rather have better charka potential the older you get. (See Chio, the 3rd, etc...)
Kakashi is about 30.
Danzo is in his 70s (semi-officially 72 as of 474).

Im sure in 30-40 years Kakashi will be able to muster more than 2-3 Sharingan usages per day.

[ryu_planeswalker]

Another quirk of the universe is that you get stronger, or rather have better charka potential the older you get. (See Chio, the 3rd, etc...)

Where was this said? Because I remember the..anbu guys saying that the third was pathetically weak compared to his younger self in his fight with Orochi.

[starphoenix]

Another quirk of the universe is that you get stronger, or rather have better charka potential the older you get. (See Chio, the 3rd, etc...)
Kakashi is about 30.
Danzo is in his 70s (semi-officially 72 as of 474).

Im sure in 30-40 years Kakashi will be able to muster more than 2-3 Sharingan usages per day.

I think it deals more with experience than age. It amounts to a balancing act. The older you get, the more experience you have in doing techniques and chakra control, but you probably lose some ability to chakra reserves and fighting ability. For example, if they are 25, then you would have 100% chakra reserves, but waste 5% in doing a technique. At 60, they probably have 85% chakra reserves, but use 85% of the the chakra required to do a technique normally since wisdom and experience might give tricks to conserving chakra by learning the harder, but more efficient way to do a technique. Madara and Danzo have to use strange techniques to be all that.

[Shadowclone]

Hello everyone! I've been a long time Naruto fan, but I mostly just watched the anime until now. Im currently up to date now, so consider me in this conversation!

Danzo is a sick freak. I mean...he seems to be a collector of parts. He tried to steal the byakugan, one of his eyes is a sharingan, and his arm is covered with sharingan! He prolly got all those sharingan after Itachi took out the Uchiha, that seems to give an ulterior motive for genocide besides the already given reasons.

I wouldn't be surprised if he attempted a uprising against the hyuuga...imagine, one eye is sharingan, one eye byakugan, on arm sharingan, the other arm byakugan.

Another question I have. Madara said they had to get a new host for the statue they use to extract biju. Was that the same statue pain summoned when it showed him fighting the salamander guy?

Anyway, this is my official greeting!

[Boomie]

Hello and yes that was the same statue that Madara was refering to.

Oooo I just thought about it. What if Danzo gets a Hyuuga's eye and implants it into the back of his head? That way he will have no blind spot.:eek:

[Leo_G]

You know, if you told me a couple of weeks ago (before they even started talking about his arm at all) that Donzo covered his arm in sharingans, I'd say you were an idiot and should feel retarded for thinking of it.

Now? I dunno...

[Alexandria2000]

Naruto: I am right with the others about that Sharingarm. WTH. And still firmly of the opinion that Sakura doesn't love Naruto romantically. That whole thing was a front, and Sai confirmed it.

Sakura has a whelk's chance in a supernova versus the Sauce, though.

Bleach: Looked up the name of the sword. It's apparently an idiom that means "rubbing you the wrong way." This could be highly entertaining.

[ryu_planeswalker]

Sakura has a whelk's chance in a supernova versus the Sauce, though.

Actually The Sauce's record is not good.

Haku - Got Darn near killed till Naruto Showed, even with Sharingan still got needled in the face.

Rock Lee - Got Utterly Punked.

Orochimaru - Got Punked, Naruto Showed up saved him from a giant snake...and Got Punked some more

Sound 3 - Won, but was tripping on OrochiJuice

Leaf/Sound Guy - Won by ripping off Lee

Gaara - Got through the sand, then got Punked.

Naruto - Barely won only because Naruto didn't go for the killshot.

Orochi pt 2 - Killed a Guy who was already dying.

Deidra - Won but would have lost if anyone other than Kakashi had been his teacher.

Itachi - Lost but Itachi committed suicide because he knew where the plot was going and didn't want to have anything to do with it.

Killa-B - Lost.

Reikage - Was gonna win.

Danzo - Is going to have to spam Mangekyo to not lose like he has his last 3 fights.

So really, Sauske is 6-6 and his wins are not exactly great victories, and since he gained it he has been overusing the Mangekyo in a major way so, unless Sakura gets to him next there is a good chance the sauce is gonna be half blind, and historically against any fairly decent opponent, he has not done well.

[catsi563]

the issue with Sasuke in battles is that he suffers from theme loss.

Sasuke is best described as one of those who wins the battle but loses the war. to quote the above examples.

agaisnt Itachi he won the fight yes. but he lost the battle because the entire point of all the betrayals, of training with orochimaru, of nearly murdering his best friend naruto, was to be the hand of vengance and destroy itachi.

and in the end itachi just dies on him. he dies and steals the moment by poking him in the forehead like he used to when they were kids thus reinforcing the foolish little brother thing between them.

Same with naruto. naruto could have won but hed have had to kill him to do it, and killing him would have broken his promise to Sakura a thing that was sacred to him.

Even orochimaru. he couldnt even win there. He beat him physically but was unable to do anymore then seal him away untill he was so exausted that he could no longer supress his chakra and he escaped.

It took itachi to kill him permanently.

Sakura has two themes going for her in the upcoming battle. one is greater strength for protecting that which is precious to you IE Naruto. and she ahs gained her strength through hard work where as Sasuke has cheated ((ie use the sharing and orochis drugs and such))

that said will she win the fight? unlikely Sasuke has certian plot elements that mean he will be a villain for a little while to come.

however she will win the battle. she will successfuly confront Sasuke and clear some issues with him up namely her feelings for Sasuke and Naruto which are genuine feelings. Sai confirmed then as genuine which is why shes going to confront Sasuke. to protect her most precious person.

Another prime example of someone who lost the fight but won the battle was the Sandaime who was killed by orochimaru ((losing the fight)) but sealed orochis arms forcing him to retreat ((thus winning the battle))

this is a consistent theme through out the manga in battles where the battles always have a theme of some sort.

[Mr_Hellcat]

Sasuke, Sasuke, Sasuke.. tsk tsk.. did you really think you were going to beat Danzo that easily?! I mean, he hadn't even uncovered his eye yet! And.. wow, he's just going to keep running around with blinders on, plugging his ears going "lalalalalala" to the truth of the situation forever, isn't he?

And as for Naruto.. o_o Shinji moment, incoming! Watch out, samurai of the Land of Iron, Eva-01, err Naruto's about to go Beserk Mode!

Edit: And Bleach.. hahaha, take THAT, owlboy, err Tousen!

[Shadowclone]

Sasukes being an idiot. First thing he does is reveal one of his most powerful jutsu, the Susanoo, and in the act is spamming mangekyo again. Then he thinks he can squeeze info out of danzo. Danzo is the leader of the anbu and I dont think any information will come out of him. Heck, I wouldnt doubt it that he has seals so that he wont speak!

Man, if Sasuke spams Mangekyo like this hes gonna go blind faster than Itachi did.

[starphoenix]

Sasukes being an idiot. First thing he does is reveal one of his most powerful jutsu, the Susanoo, and in the act is spamming mangekyo again. Then he thinks he can squeeze info out of danzo. Danzo is the leader of the anbu and I dont think any information will come out of him. Heck, I wouldnt doubt it that he has seals so that he wont speak!

Man, if Sasuke spams Mangekyo like this hes gonna go blind faster than Itachi did.

Squeeze info out? No. Willingly give info out if it serves his plans? Yes. I think the overextended use of his eye techniques will make him be more willing to accept Itachi's eyes sooner since didn't Madara offer them to Sasuke earlier? I don't think Naruto was ever as idiotic as Sasuke is right now. Attacking the Kages is beyond foolish and using your most powerful technique when facing an unknown powerful opponent is idiotic. If I had info that my clan had been destroyed by my nation, then I would either try to make the people responsible into wanted criminals or reveal the truth to everyone of importance. Becoming a wanted criminal to avenge his family is not consistent with his supposed intelligence. This implies that when Naruto finally gets over his Shinji moment, then he would be a better and smarter ninja than Sasuke ever was.

[LunarKnight]

Part of me was really hoping that Sasuke actually killed Danzo in that Susanoo grip. It would have been pretty funny if the use of the Sharigan arm was just left a complete and rather baffling mystery.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

I actually found it a nice change of pace with Sasuke using Susano'o right from the start. Too many times in shounen anime/manga people fight slowly showing there more powerful techniques until the end of the fight they use there "trump card" to finish it. When you're fighting to kill somebody,you should go all out from the beginning. The way Sasuke went about was kind of dumb though. He should have expected something was up when Danzo wasn't surprised or scared of Susano'o at all.

[LunarKnight]

You shouldn't use a trump card to press for information though. You're just giving your opponent time to figure out a way around it by monologuing.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

You shouldn't use a trump card to press for information though. You're just giving your opponent time to figure out a way around it by monologuing.

Yea I agree with you that's why I think Sasuke went about in a dumb way. He should've initially just moved in for the kill, I'm pretty sure the answer to his question was obvious.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

You shouldn't use a trump card to press for information though. You're just giving your opponent time to figure out a way around it by monologuing.

But those aren't the Sauce's trump cards. If Kishimoto wants he can give Sasuke all 3 of Itachi's Mangekyou techniques AND his own unique Mangekyou techniques since Itachi "gifted" those over to him.


PS: Poor Tousen. Stupid looking Resurrección (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/File:Hollow_tosen.jpg) and a death by a blind-side attack. D:
BUT this chapter has lead to some interesting theory crafting about Shinigami/Hollow hybrids.

[Mr_Hellcat]

PS: Poor Tousen. Stupid looking Resurrección (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/File:Hollow_tosen.jpg) and a death by a blind-side attack. D:
BUT this chapter has lead to some interesting theory crafting about Shinigami/Hollow hybrids.

lolTousen. Seriously. His Resurreccion makes it so he can't even use part of his arsenal considering his Bankai is the total darkness that only he can navigate properly due to his lack of sight. Plus, he proved he's pretty much just a giant douchey tool who's actually doing it for himself and not for loftier goals, etc. Just a petulant manchild spirit.

[LunarKnight]

I don't even know how to put the Tosen thing into proper words. The guy's a fantastic liar and unbelievably patient for being a shortsighted moron... I guess. Character development is definitely not one of Bleach's strong points as of late. I mean, I know Aizen said he was with him from the beginning, but still... wth?

Naruto remains solid. I still suspect there's another "real truth" behind the Uchiha extermination, but I appreciate that Sasuke didn't bother asking where the eyes came from. This seems like as good a place as any for Sasuke to burn out his eyesight. I'm mostly curious what Naruto's going to decide in all this. I can't imagine Kakashi and Sakura are going to have a confrontation with Sasuke without Naruto showing up.

[Shadowclone]

Yeah Sasuke not thinking much as of late. And why hasn't he been using the sharingan's legendary abilities to copy techniques? I mean, technically he could copy rasengan and various other jutsus, so why doesnt he?

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Yeah Sasuke not thinking much as of late. And why hasn't he been using the sharingan's legendary abilities to copy techniques? I mean, technically he could copy rasengan and various other jutsus, so why doesnt he?

He hasn't seen Naruto's new Fuuton Rasengan yet. The last time he saw it though, at the Valley of the End, his Chidori went right through it. So to him, what would the point of copying a weaker Jutsu?



Oh also the 2nd Naruto Shippuden OST came out this week.
**Credit to Geg of NF.com for this List**
01. Shouryuu - Jiraiya's battle music from 131
02. Rinkai - Plays when Naruto defeats Fuuka in 67
03. Gekiha - Plays when Shikamaru attacks Hidan in 86
04. Saika - The orphans' theme from 128
05. Yogensha - The chanting Akatsuki theme, first plays in 78
06. Hidan - First plays when Hidan and Kakuzu attack the temple in 73
07. Kakuzu - Plays when Itachi uses Amaterasu in 137
08. Kouen - The rock Akatsuki theme, first plays in 79
09. Midaregami - Plays when Sasuke impales Deidara's clone in 124
10. Maisou - Asuma's death in 80
11. Shirotsumekusa - Seems to be one of Naruto's themes, but with the main melody cut out for some reason. I think I remember it from 81
12. Hyouhaku - Sasuke's "cowboy" theme, first plays in 115
13. Nankoufuraku - Another Shikamaru theme, first played in 83
14. Shikkuu - Played when Naruto and Guren search for a way out of the Sanbi in 107
15. Shiren - Sasuke's "next episode preview music" theme
16. Dokushinjutsu - Plays when Jiraiya first lands on Mount Myouboku in 127
17. Guren - Guren's theme, plays all the time in the Sanbi arc
18. Kokuten - Sasuke's battle theme, first plays at the end of 113
19. Himoji - Deidara's suicide in 124
20. Girei - Pain's theme
21. Benisoubi - Hasn't been in any episode yet
22. Yamagasumi - Plays when Jiraiya says goodbye to the orphans in 128
23. Senya - Itachi's theme
24. Genshi - Plays during the elder toad sage's prophecy in 127
25. Shirohae - Alternate version of Guren's theme, can't recall any specific time it was used but I know it was used at some point
26. Ochihabune - Plays when Jiraiya learns of the orphans' deaths in 128
27. Narukami - Plays during Madara's flashback in 140
28. Samidare - Plays when Jiraiya thinks about Minato and Kushina as he dies in 133

[Shadowclone]

He hasn't seen Naruto's new Fuuton Rasengan yet. The last time he saw it though, at the Valley of the End, his Chidori went right through it. So to him, what would the point of copying a weaker Jutsu?

[/SIZE]

I know he hasn't seen Rasen Shuriken yet but still, there are a ton of justsus I believe he HAS seen; I dunno it just seems like he completely forgot about that ability.

Would he even be able to use Rasen Shuriken if he saw it? I mean, even with the sharingan, it took sage made for Naruto to use it correctly, and even he can only use it twice.

[Mr_Hellcat]

I know he hasn't seen Rasen Shuriken yet but still, there are a ton of justsus I believe he HAS seen; I dunno it just seems like he completely forgot about that ability.

Would he even be able to use Rasen Shuriken if he saw it? I mean, even with the sharingan, it took sage made for Naruto to use it correctly, and even he can only use it twice.

The Sauce's going to be no match for Naruto once he learns Shunpo, err the Fourth Kage's Lightning Step or whatever to become Konoha's Orange Flash.

We're due for some more training montages after Sakura and Naruto catch up and fight Sasuke, after all. Possibly from his mom of all people, since he needs to learn some water techniques to complete the storm nature of the character.

Random observation that I'm sure others have had.. have you noticed both Naruto and Sasuke's jutsus have developed parallel to their characters, with Sasuke going the darkness route and Naruto going the peace/oneness with all/nature route?

[Fiery-Enforcer]

Well technically Rasengan isn't a jutsu like others say, Chidori, there are no handsigns involved. It's just chakra manipulation, rotating highly concentrated chakra in different directions to create Rasengan so I'm not sure it can be copied like other jutsus.

As for where Danzo has gotten all those eyes? I think that was one of the reasons for the Uchiha massacre.

[McNum]

Yeah Sasuke not thinking much as of late. And why hasn't he been using the sharingan's legendary abilities to copy techniques? I mean, technically he could copy rasengan and various other jutsus, so why doesnt he?

"Of late"? I can't think of any time Sasuke's actually been clever. His way has more or less been the "I need more power!" way. Of Sasuke and Naruto, Naruto is easily the smarter one now.

I had kind of hoped Saskue had squished Danzo, though. I love a good anti-climax. Poor Naruto, though, his world is completely shattering around him. On the other hand, I have a feeling that this might just allow him some kind of breakthrough with his ninjitsu. It wouldn't surprise me, at least.

[Mr_Hellcat]

As for where Danzo has gotten all those eyes? I think that was one of the reasons for the Uchiha massacre.

Nah, the Uchiha massacre was because the Uchiha Clan was a bunch of uppity revolutionaries always chomping at the bit to overthrow the ruling party in Konoha. Though I'm sure that's WHERE Danzo got them.

[starphoenix]

I think there are very few techniques of Naruto that Sasuke can copy. Shadow Clone is out since it requires an immense amount of chakra. Sage mode is out since it requires vast amount of training to accomplish. Rasenshuriken is out since it is a more difficult form of Rasengan. I guess Sasuke could copy Naruto's Sexy no Jutsu, but there is something extremely wrong or right with having the final battle of a shounen manga as a beauty contest or whatever it is that Naruto and Konohamaru does.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Well technically Rasengan isn't a jutsu like others say, Chidori, there are no handsigns involved. It's just chakra manipulation, rotating highly concentrated chakra in different directions to create Rasengan so I'm not sure it can be copied like other jutsus.

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Kakashi says differently. :D
TBH the Rasengan, in theory, would be the easiest technique for the Sharingan to copy since all they have to do is look at it and see the chakra flow and say "Oh they're manipulating their chakra to move in a spiral pattern". The only thing that would prevent the Sharingan user from using it immediately would be if they had poor Chakra Control.

The only thing that ever limits an Uchiha's copying ability is the Uchiha's abiltiy to mold/control/manipulate Chakra. Copying the Rasengan is well within the Sauce's realm at this point. And I'd wager IF he say the Fuuton Rasengan it would be within his ability to instantly copy it and combine it with either his fire (Katon Rasengan) or lightning manipulation (Raiton Rasengan). I'm not saying he'd do it but it's something he COULD do.

[Mr_Hellcat]

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Kakashi says differently. :D
TBH the Rasengan, in theory, would be the easiest technique for the Sharingan to copy since all they have to do is look at it and say "Oh they're manipulating their chakra to move in a spiral pattern". The only thing that would prevent the Sharingan user from using it immediately would be if they had poor Chakra Control.

Let's be honest here, though... Kakashi only has one sharingan and no kekki genkai to let him use it properly yet he's still shown as probably the only decent sharingan user left.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Let's be honest here, though... Kakashi only has one sharingan and no kekki genkai to let him use it properly yet he's still shown as probably the only decent sharingan user left.

I think Itachi summerized Kakashi perfectly: Of all the people in the world, Kakashi was the best candidate to have the Sharingan and use it adeptly. However, the difference in power between him with the Sharingan and an Uchiha with the Sharingan is still day and night.

[Airhammer]

Here are a few of my questions and i am glad I found this post because I am a Naruto fan (Bleach not so much, just started that one). Here are some thought I have had recently.

Naruto is going to need to develop a new technique. Sage mode while powerful he cannot do in the middle of battle. I have always thought that he would need to develop water jutsu to be able to counter Sasuke ( being that fire is weak to water and lightning weak to wind ). He has of yet shown no ability to utilze water jutsu even though I would have thought that Yamato would have taught him some already.

Sasuke would wipe the floor with the kids from Leaf Village and would definitely beat the crap outta Sakura.

Danzo has become a much more intersting character for me. Although very creepy with his whole body snatcher thing he has going on.

What did Itachi place in Naruto?

Will naruto learn to control the kyubbi like Bee ?

I think eventually we will see Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura taking on Madara following in the footsteps of their predeccesors.

Ive always wondered if Naruto has a Kekkei Genkai that hasnt been discovered yet >>

[Tater Todd]

I finally broke out of the sharingan genjutsu and found out the real title of Naruto is "Sasuke and the Uchichas"

[Mr_Hellcat]

Will naruto learn to control the kyubbi like Bee ?

I dunno if it's so much control as maybe an understanding or agreement type deal. Bee doesn't exactly seem like he's overtly exerting his will upon his 8 tailed beast.

Ive always wondered if Naruto has a Kekkei Genkai that hasnt been discovered yet >>

Well, we don't know anything about his mother other than that's where he gets his family name from, though it's a very "Land of Water" sounding name. I've been wondering that myself.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

What did Itachi place in Naruto?

I'm expecting a giant crow to form out of Naruto's shoulder then a naked Itachi comes out of the crow's mouth.


Will naruto learn to control the kyubbi like Bee ?

Probably when all the villages come together to form an anti-Akatsuki offensive. The fact they didnt let Bee get captured and keep saying he's the "perfect Jinchuuriki" set him up to be Naruto's mentor.



Ive always wondered if Naruto has a Kekkei Genkai that hasnt been discovered yet >>

On one hand, him having a Bloodline Limit would finish up him having all the Ninja World aspects like the Legendary Sage guy. HOWEVER, at this point, I think the more Naruto keeps getting these power-ups the more it spits in the face of theme of how how hard working people can surpass genius. When we first met Naruto he was a nobody in the village that everyone ignored and was a failure at being a ninja but wanted to work hard to be acknowledged by everyone in the way they acknowledged people like Sasuke and Neji. However, by having the most powerful demon inside of him, Sage mode, being the son of a Kage, and who knows about his mother's background, disqualifies Naruto as a 'hard worker' and puts him in the 'genious' category. Of the 3 Genin in Team 7 the hardest worker, in my opinion, is Sakura since she has no spectacular background but ended up being mentored by the best Medical Kunoichi/Eventual Kage in the village despite that.

Also going back to your point of Naruto needing more power to fight Sasuke. I hope the next time they meet and fight that they are completely exhausted from a previous battle and have to actually rely on their fists, kunai and shurikens to settle it.

[LunarKnight]

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Kakashi says differently. :D

Kakashi didn't copy his Rasengan though. He learned it directly from the guy who first created it.

I kind of wonder if its easy to copy or not. Even knowing how to do it, its not easy to actually perform after all. It's not at all like most of the rest of the jutsu which are mostly just mimicking positions.

[Stupid_Fanboy]

well, this week looks interesting. I had a feeling that Danzo wouldn't go down so easily.

I really hope Sasuke pulls his head out of his ***, or Naruto shoves his foot up there, and realizes what a moron he's being and what a disgrace he is after what Itachi did. You'd think Danzo acknowledging it would make him think. But nope.

[Leo_G]

If he manages to kill Donzo, who else is left of the village for him to 'Avenge'? I'm hoping that he'll smart up and reveal to the village what happened to his clan...if not, perhaps Naruto can?

[Leo_G]

I just got done watching this week's Shippuuden ep.

I have to say, seeing the story animated, I think I'm starting to feel the Sauce. I think he's to the point where he just doesn't give a sh**. He's lost his family, his brother and his family name is disgraced. He probably feels he has nothing else to loose and just said "F*** it! I'm gonna go hog wild on their *****! I don't care if I lose my sight, my eyes or a limb or even my life. Screw them!"

...now if that's a smart decision, from our perspective it's obviously not. From his? Eh, like I said. I think I can feel where he's coming from.

[Boomie]

Kakashi didn't copy his Rasengan though. He learned it directly from the guy who first created it.

I kind of wonder if its easy to copy or not. Even knowing how to do it, its not easy to actually perform after all. It's not at all like most of the rest of the jutsu which are mostly just mimicking positions.
I don't think anyone could just copy it since it's just a ball of chakra made by using shape manipulation so the sharingan shouldn't be able to copy it. Sure a sharingan would allow you to see how the chakra is flowing but that won't help if they don't know how it's done.

[Boomie]

If he manages to kill Donzo, who else is left of the village for him to 'Avenge'? I'm hoping that he'll smart up and reveal to the village what happened to his clan...if not, perhaps Naruto can?
The only two left on his list after Donzo is the elders that advise the Hokage. They were also in on the plot to take out the Uchiha's.

[Tater Todd]

I've been waiting for this a long time actually...If sasuke keeps it up he will kill Naruto without even lifting a finger.

[Gulver]

The only two left on his list after Donzo is the elders that advise the Hokage. They were also in on the plot to take out the Uchiha's.

Then the village for being a part of it somehow. Then the other villages for not stopping it or something.

Revenge is a slippery slope. It'll just eat you up until there is nothing left.

[Boomie]

Then the village for being a part of it somehow. Then the other villages for not stopping it or something.

Revenge is a slippery slope. It'll just eat you up until there is nothing left.
This is very true. We've already seen how blind the sauce is when it comes to these things so that could very easily happen.

[McNum]

I finally broke out of the sharingan genjutsu and found out the real title of Naruto is "Sasuke and the Uchichas"

Oh, great. Now I'm picturing the Uchiha clan as an Emo-rock band. It works surprisingly well. They already have the look down, but I wonder if any of them can sing? I kind of have Itachi down as a bass player, but I have no idea why.

[LunarKnight]

Then the village for being a part of it somehow. Then the other villages for not stopping it or something.

Revenge is a slippery slope. It'll just eat you up until there is nothing left.

I thought he already decided to destroy the entire village. Something about "their happiness is a lie so I'll destroy it all" or something like that.

[Tater Todd]

I thought he already decided to destroy the entire village. Something about "they're happiness is a lie so I'll destroy it all" or something like that.

Sorry I sprayed my drink everywhere b/c I was laughing to hard at this post.

[Gulver]

Oh, great. Now I'm picturing the Uchiha clan as an Emo-rock band. It works surprisingly well. They already have the look down, but I wonder if any of them can sing? I kind of have Itachi down as a bass player, but I have no idea why.

Because the bass player get all the ladies.

[Tater Todd]

Oh, great. Now I'm picturing the Uchiha clan as an Emo-rock band. It works surprisingly well. They already have the look down, but I wonder if any of them can sing? I kind of have Itachi down as a bass player, but I have no idea why.

He has the bass player vibe that's why. Cool, collected, just stands in the background and doesn't say much...he can look uber just but being who he is.

[Leo_G]

He has the bass player vibe that's why. Cool, collected, just stands in the background and doesn't say much...he can look uber just but being who he is.

Are you sure *this* isn't a horrible Tsukiyomi genjutsu you thought you broke free from? Just now we're all stuck in it?

[Mr_Hellcat]

Programming note: Looks like no WSJ next week.

[McNum]

Are you sure *this* isn't a horrible Tsukiyomi genjutsu you thought you broke free from? Just now we're all stuck in it?

Madara as Tobi has to be the drummer. The one in charge of the rhythm and completely nuts. Perfect. Can Sasuke sing? He has that "look at me!" vibe that a lead singer should have. Then again, the ability to sing isn't that important in an emo-rock band. They'd sing about their eyes, naturally. You'd be surprised at just how many times they manage to rhyme "Sharingan".

If I was good at drawing, I'd make this now. The mental image is just too funny.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Shippuden 140 came out this week (so it'll be on the Viz site next Thursday).

They did a really good job of showing Sasuke's mental breakdown at the history lesson Madara gives him. They also do a good job of putting the question in your mind of, "is Madara REALLY evil". Can't wait for the continuation in 141!


A thought occured to me when he was giving his history lesson. He claims he wasn't behind the Kyuubi attacks but it requires someone with the Sharingan to control the Kyuubi and the Elders used the attack as an excuse to relocat, discriminate and eventually wipe out the Uchiha. Now that we know Danzou is in possession of the Sharingan.... maybe he's the one that prompted the attack, using one of his stolen Sharingans, in order to wipe them out.

[Tater Todd]

Shippuden 140 came out this week (so it'll be on the Viz site next Thursday).

They did a really good job of showing Sasuke's mental breakdown at the history lesson Madara gives him. They also do a good job of putting the question in your mind of, "is Madara REALLY evil". Can't wait for the continuation in 141!


A thought occured to me when he was giving his history lesson. He claims he wasn't behind the Kyuubi attacks but it requires someone with the Sharingan to control the Kyuubi and the Elders used the attack as an excuse to relocat, discriminate and eventually wipe out the Uchiha. Now that we know Danzou is in possession of the Sharingan.... maybe he's the one that prompted the attack, using one of his stolen Sharingans, in order to wipe them out.

you know what...you just might be right...I forgot he has the sharingan as well....well several...haha. He just might be the %$#@!%^ that set everything up in an excuse to wipe out the uchiha clan....very interesting.

[NetMinder]

Timeline isnt right. Kyuubi attacked when Naruto was an infant. That means Sasuke was as well. Itachi's attack didnt come until Sasuke was at least 6-7. Thats not to say Danzou didnt have 1 or 2 by then, but he probably didnt get his collection until the attacks. The First and Yamato can control the tailed beasts without a Sharingan, so that ability seems to be aimed more at a specific user, not a general ability. Sasuke only had limited control over Kyuubi inside Naruto's head (which was just a fragment of Kyuubi that could leak through the seal). Im guessing it would take quite a special individual to wield that sort of control over the tailed beasts.... with the First/Yamato and Madara being of that class, and we really haven't seen anyone else like that.

[Mr_Hellcat]

Something to keep in mind is the fact that the Kyuubi isn't just a mindless beast, so it could've been coming back to Konoha for revenge.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I was under the assumption from the talk Tobi/Deidara had that when a Biju isn't with a host it's pretty much a wild beast that just runs on instinct. But maybe that was just the case for the Biju they were hunting down, iunno.


Speaking of the Biju I found this (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/4/41/BijuuandJinchuuriki.png) spiffy picture of the 9 Biju and their most recent hosts.

One-Tailed Shukaku
Host: Gaara of Sunagakure (Hidden Sand)

Two-Tailed Monster Cat
Host: Yugito Nii of Kumogakure (Hidden Cloud)

Three-Tailed Giant Turtle
Host: Yagura of Kirigakure (Hidden Mist)

Four-Tailed Monkey
Host: Rōshi of Iwagakure (Hidden Stone)

Five-Tailed Dolphin Horse
Host: Han from Iwagakure (Hidden Stone)

Six-Tailed Slug
Host: Utakata of Kirigakure (Hidden Mist)

Seven-Tailed Horned Beetle
Host: Fū from Takigakure (Hidden Waterfalls)

Eight-Tailed Giant Ox
Host: Killer Bee of Kumogakure (Hidden Cloud)

Nine-Tailed Demon Fox
Host: Naruto Uzumaki of Konohagakure (Hidden Leaf)

[Mr_Hellcat]

Speaking of the Biju I found this (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/4/41/BijuuandJinchuuriki.png) spiffy picture of the 9 Biju and their most recent hosts.

Aside from Gaara losing his Biju, I'm kinda glad the others didn't get much face time after seeing that picture.

[Tater Todd]

Really? I felt left out I wanted to know much more about the biju. Only knowing Gaara and Naruto didn't do it for me. I would of liked to know a little bit more about each biju and their carrier. I don't count Killerbee b/c he came in so late in the game.

[Leo_G]

I don't know what you're talking about but that 5-tailed guy looks kinda cool.

And some of those countries had 2 tailed beasts!?

[Tater Todd]

I don't know what you're talking about but that 5-tailed guy looks kinda cool.

And some of those countries had 2 tailed beasts!?

I noticed the two tailed beasts in one country as well! I know in the anime they showed The Underworld Cat biju and the old man who had to be the owner of the gorilla dinosaur biju lol. The old man actually looks cool.

The only biju that I think seems lame is the slug one...actually I wonder is he related to the Mizukage?

[Tenzhi]

I've got a theory that the ultimate Sharingan technique is transferring your entire life into one of your eyes, and that Madara doesn't have a real body but is rather just an eyeball whose body is a projection. This is the real reason he can choose to not be solid.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

And some of those countries had 2 tailed beasts!?

5 Great Shinobi Countries
(This is just my guess of their order of power pre-Akatsuki kidnappings)
Hidden Leaf: 9-Tails
Hidden Cloud: 2-Tails, 8-Tails
Hidden Stone: 4-Tails, 5-Tails
Hidden Mist: 3-Tails, 6-Tails
Hidden Sand: 1-Tails

Hidden Waterfalls: 7-Tails


So it seems somehow the 7-Tails ended up in a smaller village and the Hidden Sand got the short end of the stick on the Biju deal. Unlike Konoha who got the 9-tails, they got stuck with 1 Biju and the 1-tails lol. I'm thinking the fact Shukkaku had absolute Sand Control and the country was 90% desert was the only reason they weren't taken over by one of the others.

[Sqeak]

140 came out and it turn out the nine tails attack WAS completly random, its just they got blamed for it, which caused the clan to be hated and as a result the clan mytinied and it hasnt said yet but im guessing itachi was giving the order to kill the intire caln O.o meaning sasuke (yes my spellingis bad ) has spent his entire life seeking vengence over something that wasnt of his brothers doing and his brother did what he did to protect sasuke, meaning we are going to have another long drawn out twist, and over use of flashbacks for the next few epidsodes

[starphoenix]

140 came out and it turn out the nine tails attack WAS completly random, its just they got blamed for it, which caused the clan to be hated and as a result the clan mytinied and it hasnt said yet but im guessing itachi was giving the order to kill the intire caln O.o meaning sasuke (yes my spellingis bad ) has spent his entire life seeking vengence over something that wasnt of his brothers doing and his brother did what he did to protect sasuke, meaning we are going to have another long drawn out twist, and over use of flashbacks for the next few epidsodes

The 9-tails attack was caused by Madara. It is revealed when Naruto meets his dad.

[NetMinder]

But we are assuming that his Dad was telling the truth with that.

He really didnt have a reason to lie about it, but still, all we have on that is the 4th's word.

[Tater Todd]

But we are assuming that his Dad was telling the truth with that.

He really didnt have a reason to lie about it, but still, all we have on that is the 4th's word.

I doubt the 4th was lying for any particular reason at all and Even 9 tails recognized the Sharingan as soon as he saw Sasuke.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

In the episode it was never stated that Madara wasn't behind the Kyuubi attack. He just said that the Uchiha clan living in Konoha at the time wasn't behind it, but they were accused for it because sharingan users can control bijuus somewhat. Remember nobody knew Madara was even alive and he was the only Uchiha known to be able to fully control the Kyuubi. And yes we later find out that Madara was responsible for the attack from Yondaime, which would be pretty dumb if he lied to Naruto. Also, didn't Itachi state that Madara was behind the Kyuubi attack too?

[catsi563]

yeah it was Madara who caused the Kyuubi attack. Its literally the only lie he tells Sasuke in order to manipulate him.

thats the interesting part. He controls Kyuubi to destroy Konoha for revenge. the 4th stops him by sealing the Kyuubi. He then manipulates Sasuke with a single lie, and the rest of the truth regarding the elders and Kyuubi.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

Yes, I just went back to episode 136 and Itachi tells Sasuke that Madara was behind the Kyuubi attack but was defeated by Yondaime. I almost forgot, I'm pretty sure Jiraiya had the idea that it was Madara, before he fought Pain. So much evidence points towards it so I'm saying without a doubt it was Madara indeed.

[Tater Todd]

Yes, I just went back to episode 136 and Itachi tells Sasuke that Madara was behind the Kyuubi attack but was defeated by Yondaime. I almost forgot, I'm pretty sure Jiraiya had the idea that it was Madara, before he fought Pain. So much evidence points towards it so I'm saying without a doubt it was Madara indeed.

Indeed. Jiraiya concluded it was Madara as well...but he couldn't wrap his head around Madara still being alive.

[Shadowclone]

Indeed. Jiraiya concluded it was Madara as well...but he couldn't wrap his head around Madara still being alive.

Which brings up the question. How exactly IS Madara still alive?
I assume it has something to do with that uber sharingan of his but still...

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Which brings up the question. How exactly IS Madara still alive?
I assume it has something to do with that uber sharingan of his but still...


"We of the Uchiha possessed exceptional Chakra and the Sharingan. Excelling in all types of warfare we became known as a battle clan. And I was born into the Uchiha clan, possessing Chakra was that especially powerful. Perhaps the fact I've lived this long is proof of that." - Uchiha Madara, Episode 140

[NetMinder]

Madara can warp time/space pretty well. I dont see it as much of a stretch to lengthen his life using his powers. There is obviously a price to pay, we just dont know what it is yet, but Id wager its tied to his plans to capture all the tailed beasts and utilize thier power. (Remember Madara's quip about Pain using his restore life technique, to the effect of he was supposed to use it on me. Madara still needs something to fully restore and prolong his life... we just dont know exactly what that is.)

[Shadowclone]

Well, that makes sense. There are various life prolonging techniques, Orochimaru is testimony to that.
Maybe Madara is getting a bit nervous, I mean, he popped up in the middle of the Kage summit and declared war; no more waiting, no more hiding, here I am, this is my plan, lets finish this. It just seems that he is a bit, eh, hurried maybe?

Oh! Thinking of Orochimaru reminded me of something.
Kabuto.
If he gave in/ lost control would Orochimaru be "more or less" ressurected?
It frightens me to think that he is still slithering around somewhere, even after his body died.

[Boomie]

So it seems somehow the 7-Tails ended up in a smaller village and the Hidden Sand got the short end of the stick on the Biju deal. Unlike Konoha who got the 9-tails, they got stuck with 1 Biju and the 1-tails lol. I'm thinking the fact Shukkaku had absolute Sand Control and the country was 90% desert was the only reason they weren't taken over by one of the others.
Yeah the Hidden Sand village got shafted on that deal. Even in mythology the Shukaku was the second weakest bijuu(Sokou the 4-tails being the weakest) and had the least amount of chakra/stamina. They should have got another bijuu to make up for it or something.

[Boomie]

Well, that makes sense. There are various life prolonging techniques, Orochimaru is testimony to that.
Maybe Madara is getting a bit nervous, I mean, he popped up in the middle of the Kage summit and declared war; no more waiting, no more hiding, here I am, this is my plan, lets finish this. It just seems that he is a bit, eh, hurried maybe?

Oh! Thinking of Orochimaru reminded me of something.
Kabuto.
If he gave in/ lost control would Orochimaru be "more or less" ressurected?
It frightens me to think that he is still slithering around somewhere, even after his body died.
I think It'd be awesome if Orochimaru took over and kept all of Kabuto's jutsu's or even the other way around. He could end up being instrumental in helping dealing with Madara in the end. Who else better suited to take down an immortal but with another?:D

[LunarKnight]

I think It'd be awesome if Orochimaru took over and kept all of Kabuto's jutsu's or even the other way around. He could end up being instrumental in helping dealing with Madara in the end. Who else better suited to take down an immortal but with another?:D

Unlikely to be a friend. We learned a little while back that Kabuto has been instrumental in Danzo's surgeries, or at least, that's who he calls for when there's a problem.

[Shadowclone]

Unlikely to be a friend. We learned a little while back that Kabuto has been instrumental in Danzo's surgeries, or at least, that's who he calls for when there's a problem.

Huh. I don't remember that. Maybe Kabuto helped implant Danzo's sharingans.

I wonder what will happen with the village once Danzo returns, and unrightly assumes the title of Hokage. Will Danzo go after Kakashi in order to stop him from taking power?
And how will the village react if the Kages can't confirm their decision and all they have is these mens word?

[Boomie]

Unlikely to be a friend. We learned a little while back that Kabuto has been instrumental in Danzo's surgeries, or at least, that's who he calls for when there's a problem.
Ohh no not a friend but more like enemies joining together to take down a bigger threat.

[LunarKnight]

Huh. I don't remember that. Maybe Kabuto helped implant Danzo's sharingans.

I wonder what will happen with the village once Danzo returns, and unrightly assumes the title of Hokage. Will Danzo go after Kakashi in order to stop him from taking power?
And how will the village react if the Kages can't confirm their decision and all they have is these mens word?

Actually, I take that back. Here's the scene I was referring to. Danzo doesn't seem to have a direct connection to Kabuto, but...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/454/17/

[Shadowclone]

Actually, I take that back. Here's the scene I was referring to. Danzo doesn't seem to have a direct connection to Kabuto, but...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/454/17/

Ah! I see what your saying. It doesnt give a direct link between them, but it implies something for sure. And...why does he want Anko assassinated? And why is Anko trailing Kabuto? She was Orochimarus student, so I'm sure thats where the motive stems from, but still...why?

[NetMinder]

Ohh no not a friend but more like enemies joining together to take down a bigger threat.

Rule 29) The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

Kabuto is pretty mercenary tho. He is loyal to Orochi, so for the right price (something to help restore him), Kabuto would help Danzo.

[starphoenix]

I think Madara required the services of Pain to restore him to full ability since he lost most of his power with his fight with the first hokage. If I remember correctly, that was revealed in the fight with the Kages. The only techniques we have seen him do is phasing and teleportation. After all, it would be much easier to fight your own battles than get a emo kid to do the fighting for you if you were at full strength.

[LunarKnight]

I think Madara required the services of Pain to restore him to full ability since he lost most of his power with his fight with the first hokage. If I remember correctly, that was revealed in the fight with the Kages. The only techniques we have seen him do is phasing and teleportation. After all, it would be much easier to fight your own battles than get a emo kid to do the fighting for you if you were at full strength.

I still assume Madara needs something from Sasuke; most likely another Eternal Mangekyo.

[Tater Todd]

I still assume Madara needs something from Sasuke; most likely another Eternal Mangekyo.

I was going to say the same as well. Kinda like Orochimaru except with less tongue.

[Mr_Hellcat]

I love the fact that we're discussing all of this and we're all just fine with the fact that there's an uber tailed beast in the moon that Madara wants to control to rule the world to prove his clan's the best.

[catsi563]

its not really that big of a suprise is all. The notion of an end fo the world doomsday creature of which 9 parts where separated from it and used to create the 9 bijuu.

its a fairly basic fantasy trope. an ancient creature sealed away and parts of its power seperated from it. the main villain seeks the pieces to power the ancients ressurection so he can gain its great power, only to be stopped by the hero, or to be destroyed by the ancient and then the ancient is defeated by the hero.

one fo these two plots is the most liekly outcome of the end conflict.

[Shadowclone]

So... the Jubi's body supposedly IS the moon right?

[Fiery-Enforcer]

The way Madara explained it, it does sound like the Jyuubi is the moon, but I believe it's only part of it. Remember Nagatos awesome jutsu which I forget the name of, he used against Naruto? Well, Nagato said the legend stated that Rikudou Sennin used that jutsu and it became the moon. So, I'm guessing he used that jutsu on the Jyuubi so it's now sealed inside the moon.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

The way Madara explained it, it does sound like the Jyuubi is the moon, but I believe it's only part of it. Remember Nagatos awesome jutsu which I forget the name of, he used against Naruto? Well, Nagato said the legend stated that Rikudou Sennin used that jutsu and it became the moon. So, I'm guessing he used that jutsu on the Jyuubi so it's now sealed inside the moon.

Correct.

The Legendary Sage sealed the Jyuubi's body in the moon. It's chakra was split up between the 9 tailed beasts.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

Has anyone read the new chapter? I know there wasn't suppose to be a chapter this week, but it got leaked early like last year.

Anyways...looks like Danzo has some sort of hax jutsu. And omg Itachi-sama!

[Shadowclone]

Where are you reading them? One-manga doesn't have anything yet...

[Fiery-Enforcer]

Mangastream

[Shadowclone]

Wait...what?! My mind hurts...it just hurts...

[Tater Todd]

Hrmm so everytime Danze is killed...an eye closes...maybe a genjitsu clone?

[Alexandria2000]

Someone tell me what was going on there. I have no clue and I read it twice.

Meanwhile in Bleach....ARGH. Doesn't anyone know the secret to kicking someone's tail is NOT GIVING YOUR SECRET AWAY.

Vaizard: "Oh yeah, my shikai does THIS. Isn't it lovely?"
Aizen: "Oh, okay. Thanks for letting me know." *figures out counter*

[starphoenix]

Someone tell me what was going on there. I have no clue and I read it twice.

Meanwhile in Bleach....ARGH. Doesn't anyone know the secret to kicking someone's tail is NOT GIVING YOUR SECRET AWAY.

Vaizard: "Oh yeah, my shikai does THIS. Isn't it lovely?"
Aizen: "Oh, okay. Thanks for letting me know." *figures out counter*

Always hated in manga where they yell out which attack they are going to use. Especially with Naruto where ninjas are supposed to deceive their opponent and not yell out that they are going to use a big flashy attack. A fight in Naruto should last just a few seconds where the opponent doesn't realize he is dead or at least have a bunch of genjutsu and stealth instead of following Dragon Ball Z's example.

[Shadowclone]

Always hated in manga where they yell out which attack they are going to use. Especially with Naruto where ninjas are supposed to deceive their opponent and not yell out that they are going to use a big flashy attack. A fight in Naruto should last just a few seconds where the opponent doesn't realize he is dead or at least have a bunch of genjutsu and stealth instead of following Dragon Ball Z's example.

This.
Why the heck do you stand there monolouging about how your gonna kill your opponent? Unless its used as a distraction, which it rarely is. This is why I always liked Itachi's fighting style. EVERYTHING is a genjustsu, the opponent knows nothing.

In regards to the episode...I'm completely lost. Yes, it seems that an eye closes whenever Danzo dies; and it's not a genjutsu, Karin varified that.

[Mr_Hellcat]

This.
Why the heck do you stand there monolouging about how your gonna kill your opponent? Unless its used as a distraction, which it rarely is. This is why I always liked Itachi's fighting style. EVERYTHING is a genjustsu, the opponent knows nothing.

In regards to the episode...I'm completely lost. Yes, it seems that an eye closes whenever Danzo dies; and it's not a genjutsu, Karin varified that.

I'm going to go with a time/space jutsu. As for Itachi.. based on the crows, I'm going to say that IS a genjutsu.

[Tater Todd]

Seriously I am a bit upset I wanted Itachi to train sasuke. As impossible as that would of been I still wanted it.

PS. BTW the Viazard's name is Shinji and he is awesome :P.

[Shadowclone]

I'm going to go with a time/space jutsu. As for Itachi.. based on the crows, I'm going to say that IS a genjutsu.

Yeah, I doubt Itachi is actually still around. Thats probably Sasuke messing with genjutsu.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Naruto: The whole Genjutsu fighting thing gets annoying when you don't know what's going on and have to wait a week to MAYBE find out the source of why stuff is going on.

So I didnt really enjoy the "Danzou dies, he comes back, he dies, he comes back, Itachi pulls a page out of Orochimaru's book".
PS: Itachi should've burst out of the crow's mouth naked.


Bleach: I really love Aizen. Now for those that were saying it was silly for Shinji to tell Aizen what was going on, under normal circumstances telling someone that stuff is backwards...doesn't matter. As he said, the more experienced someone is at automatically reacting the worse off they'll be when everything is all backwards. So if it was anyone but Aizen it would've worked but Aizen = MorehaxthanHitsugaya. Shinji's only mistake was not going for a decapitation on his first pass.

But seriously him murdering Tousen as he's all "Let me see your face Hisagi" was pure gold. I rate that right up there with Vegeta's sneak attack on the crippled Goku when he was reaching out to Gohan during their first fight.

[Tater Todd]

Naruto: The whole Genjutsu fighting thing gets annoying when you don't know what's going on and have to wait a week to MAYBE find out the source of why stuff is going on.

So I didnt really enjoy the "Danzou dies, he comes back, he dies, he comes back, Itachi pulls a page out of Orochimaru's book".
PS: Itachi should've burst out of the crow's mouth naked.


Bleach: I really love Aizen. Now for those that were saying it was silly for Shinji to tell Aizen what was going on, under normal circumstances telling someone that stuff is backwards...doesn't matter. As he said, the more experienced someone is at automatically reacting the worse off they'll be when everything is all backwards. So if it was anyone but Aizen it would've worked but Aizen = MorehaxthanHitsugaya. Shinji's only mistake was not going for a decapitation on his first pass.

But seriously him murdering Tousen as he's all "Let me see your face Hisagi" was pure gold. I rate that right up there with Vegeta's sneak attack on the crippled Goku when he was reaching out to Gohan during their first fight.

I admit when he killed Tousen I laughed VERY hard b/c poor Tousen's plot was doomed from the get go lol. Bad writers.

I like Aizen as well...I feel weird...and plus he's so darn good looking. *ahem* ANYWAY. Shinji is pure leet sauce...does anyone know if that ability is his bankai or shikai?

[Alexandria2000]

Bleach: I really love Aizen. Now for those that were saying it was silly for Shinji to tell Aizen what was going on, under normal circumstances telling someone that stuff is backwards...doesn't matter. As he said, the more experienced someone is at automatically reacting the worse off they'll be when everything is all backwards. So if it was anyone but Aizen it would've worked but Aizen = MorehaxthanHitsugaya. Shinji's only mistake was not going for a decapitation on his first pass.

But seriously him murdering Tousen as he's all "Let me see your face Hisagi" was pure gold. I rate that right up there with Vegeta's sneak attack on the crippled Goku when he was reaching out to Gohan during their first fight.

I can agree with you about the decapitation thing, but I still think letting Aizen know the details of a bankai *he'd never seen before for a reason* totally hosed Shinji's cunning plan there. Telling him that everything was upside down? Cool and awesome. Letting him know that even his perspectives of right and left were backwards?

You know, Shinji could have offed him, or at least put major hurt on him until Our Hero Mr 1-2-3 (I love the pun on Ichigo's name) arrived, by not informing him of that much. Let Aizen take the time to figure that out.

And okay, was I the only one who had a "Let me see you, Luke, with my OWN eyes..." moment right before Tousen got offed? That flashed through my head the second before he died, which made me laugh so hard.

[starphoenix]

Aren't Bankais usually caused by yelling out Bankai, then a huge powerup sequence happens? Don't think we have ever seen a Vaizard's Bankai, except Ichigo's. Although it looks like Vaizards have a Hollow Release since Ichigo and Tousen have done it already. So does that mean that Arrancars have a bankai or was that what Ulquiorra did when he fully transformed.

[Fiery-Enforcer]

I don't think the Arrancars have Bankai's or anything. They have Resureccions (sp?) which is there version of a release, which only Ulquiorra showed to have a "Bankai" of. On the other hand Vaizards can have Bankai's because they were Shinigamis before they turned into one and most likely already had it.

[Leo_G]

...So, Itachi's *not* dead?:confused:

[catsi563]

No hes dead. he died fighting Sasuke.

however like the 4th hokage itachi was a well prepared individual who knew even after his death his power might be needed by Sasuke and Naruto.

thats why he did whatever it was he did for naruto, its also why he booby trapped Sasukes eye with amateratsu to kill Madara.

this may be a part of that contingency of itachis, designed to attack Danzos Sharingan and possibly madaras as wlel. or It could be Sasuke using Itachis image as an attack.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

I don't think the Arrancars have Bankai's or anything. They have Resureccions (sp?) which is there version of a release, which only Ulquiorra showed to have a "Bankai" of. On the other hand Vaizards can have Bankai's because they were Shinigamis before they turned into one and most likely already had it.

Ok here comes a long one lol.


Hollow Abilities : No Transformation abilities

Shinigami Abilities : Shikai and Bankai
Shikai - Once the Shikai is activated, the Zanpakutō will change form to access whatever special abilities it is capable of. The special abilities of the Zanpakutō, like the Zanpakutō itself, have specific names that usually must be announced to fully activate the effect. As Ichigo's Zanpakutō, Zangetsu, explains, knowing the name of an attack and not knowing it makes a very drastic difference in the amount of power that attack utilises.
Bankai - A Zanpakutō's Bankai is often a manifestation of the spirit itself, usually creating a massive creature or a powerful effect to aid the user in battle (Ichigo's Bankai is an exception, becoming more compact instead). The Bankai itself will receive a different name in addition to the ordinary Zanpakutō (for example Ichigo's Zangetsu becomes Tensa Zangetsu, Byakuya's Senbonzakura becomes Senbonzakura Kageyoshi). Certain Shinigami also change with their Zanpakutō, gaining clothing similar to what their Zanpakutō's spirit form looks like. Most Zanpakutō will also gain additional special abilities, or a more enhanced version of the usual one. Like with the Shikai, most of these abilities have an associated name. Maintaining the Bankai is taxing for the wielder, and it is difficult to maintain it for long periods of time for most Shinigami, with the exception of Ichigo, as it becomes more compact, thus allowing him to hold it for long periods of time.


Arrancar Abilities: Resurrección
Resurrección - Unlike a Shinigami's Zanpakutō, an Arrancar's Zanpakutō is simply the Arrancar's Hollow powers sealed into the shape of a weapon. Upon releasing their Zanpakutō, they gain all of their former unique Hollow abilities back, essentially 'resurrecting' their old selves. Most known Resurrección give the Arrancar user an animal-like appearance.


Vizard Abilities: Shikai, Bankai and Hollowfication
Shikai & Bankai - Works like the Shinigami
Hollowification - After a Shinigami obtains Hollow powers, they must don their Hollow mask in order to access them. The mask eventually crumbles and disappears after a certain period of time, which varies for each Vizard. It is unknown how Aizen achieved this process but it was considered a failure because they weren't perfect hybrids.


Tousen's Abilities : Shikai, Bankai, Hollowfication and Resurrección
Shikai & Bankai - Work like the Shinigami
Resurrección - Works like the Arrancar
Hollowfication - Works like the Vizard, created through Aizen's use of the Hōgyoku. Most likely considered a near-perfect hybrid.
*Unknown if Tousen had access to his Shikai/Bankai during the Battle of Karakura.


Ichigo's Abilities: Vast Spiritual Power, Shikai, Bankai, Hollowfication and "Shirosaki"
Vast Spiritual Power - Despite originally being human, Ichigo has been noted on several occasions to have tremendously vast levels of spiritual energy well beyond other Shinigami.
Shikai & Bankai - Works like the Shinigami
Hollowfication - Works like the Vizard. Hollow-status attained while attempting to regain his Shinigami powers. Since he's the main character it's probably safe to say he's a perfect hybrid.
"Shirosaki" -- Ichigo's Inner-Hollow

Shirosaki's Abilities: Possession, Shikai & Bankai, Hollow Form and Hollow Form 2
Possession -- The Hollow is capable of taking over Ichigo's body and powers when Ichigo falls unconscious in a fight. In this occurrence, Ichigo's sclera blacken and his irises glow golden-yellow in combination with a hollow mask forming on the left side of his face
Shikai & Bankai -- Works like the Shinigami
Hollow Form -- "Shirosaki" transforms into a Hollow and displays powerful abilities such as instant regeneration, growth of additional body appendages, and an very exceedingly powerful Cero. Unlike normal Hollows, this form used an actual weapon, using Zangetsu much like Ichigo himself does.
Hollow Form 2 -- Same abilities as above but the potency of the powers seem to have increased exponentially

[Mr_Hellcat]

I always kind of figured the "Hollow Form 2" was his Resurreccion.

[NetMinder]

No hes dead. he died fighting Sasuke.

however like the 4th hokage itachi was a well prepared individual who knew even after his death his power might be needed by Sasuke and Naruto.

thats why he did whatever it was he did for naruto, its also why he booby trapped Sasukes eye with amateratsu to kill Madara.

this may be a part of that contingency of itachis, designed to attack Danzos Sharingan and possibly madaras as wlel. or It could be Sasuke using Itachis image as an attack.

Im with the theory of Itachi implanting more than just Amateratsu in Sasuke's eyes.

Manly because Sasuke's not smart enough on his own to use Itachi's visage as a distraction.

[Tater Todd]

Im with the theory of Itachi implanting more than just Amateratsu in Sasuke's eyes.

Manly because Sasuke's not smart enough on his own to use Itachi's visage as a distraction.

Sad but true.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

Just watched Shippuden 141 it was an awesome conclusion to the Sasuke/Itachi storyline.

They did a great job of capturing the Sauce's emotional spectrum as he had to relive all those past events but from a different standpoint and then seeing him put together everything Madara said with Itachi's actions was most satisfying.

Definitely looking forward to the Pain invasion arc!

[starphoenix]

I am looking forward to Sasuke being beaten by 8-tails. 8-tails used Sasuke so he could be a musician and have a little fun with a bunch of kids and Akatsuki. The ending for the Pein invasion arc is too Dragon Ball Z for my tastes.

[Shadowclone]

So this weekend me and my friends were playing the new Clash of Ninja game on Wii.
We were trying to guess what characters you could unlock to play(It showed silhouettes of them). There were a few of them we couldnt get, including one of them that costs 10X more than all the other characters. We then realized, that two of them looked like Hidan and Kakazu. General reaction: 0-o. I'm just trying to comprehend how Hidan would play in this game.
We came up with this: 1) You cant kill him. 2) He screams obscenities after every fight. Sounds bout right :P

[Tater Todd]

On the anime on episode 141 i don't remember Madara sharing the information about sasuke's dad to him...but maybe i am mistaken.

[Talia_Rayvyn]

No new Naruto/Bleach this week either. :(


So I've been watching School Rumble & Shikabane Hime on Hulu and Descendants of Darkness on Chiller.

I've looked at most of the new releases on One Manga but couldn't find anything interesting to read lol.

[Tater Todd]

No new Naruto/Bleach this week either. :(


So I've been watching School Rumble & Shikabane Hime on Hulu and Descendants of Darkness on Chiller.

I've looked at most of the new releases on One Manga but couldn't find anything interesting to read lol.


I am reading rebirth instead i am VERY anxious.

[The R]

AIKI, read it.

The creator is a bit slow with coming out with chapters, he said he's not very good with fighting type stories, but this is an exception, as long as he takes his time. Sadly won't see another 5 or so chapters till later this year.