Incomplete brawl index database #2

[Ian_Of_Moore]

So I finally got around to making a new thread for this database. If you have no clue what I'm talking about or wish to

contribute, check this thread out:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1023948&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#1023948

Basically, the number listed here is how much damage a power does when compared to the brawl power. So all you do is

multiply the damage your brawl power does (unenhanced) by the Brawl index provided and voila! you have the base damage

you'll do with that power. The brawl index does not take into account resistances, sorry. So here is the list so far:

---Pool Powers---

Boxing - 2.1111 Smashing
Kick - 2.3333 Smashing
Air Superiority - 2.7778 Smashing
Jump Kick - 2.7778 Smashing
Flurry - 0.3975 Smashing * 8

---Blaster Primary---

-Assault rifle-
Burst - 0.7500 Lethal * 4
Slug - 4.5556 Lethal
Buckshot - 2.5333 Lethal
M30 Grenade - 0.8333 Smashing + 1.6667 Lethal
Beanbag - 0.5556 Smashing
Sniper Rifle - 7.6667 Lethal
Flamethrower - 0.6667 Fire * 8
Ignite - 0.2222 Fire * 30 (second opinion please!)
Full Auto - 0.4500 Lethal * 18 + 2.7778 Lethal for critical hit

-Electrical Blast-
Charged Bolts - 2.7778 Energy
Lightning Bolt - 4.5556 Energy
Ball Lightning - 0.8333 Energy + 0.5000 Energy * 4
Short Circuit - 0.5000 Energy * 5
Zapp - 7.6667 Energy
Tesla Cage - 0.4167 Energy
Volatic Sentinel - 2.2222 Energy * 10
Thunderous Blast - 5.5556 Energy + 2.7778 Energy * 3 (is this always 3 tics?)

-Energy Blast-
Power Bolt - 2.2222 Energy + 0.5556 Smashing
Power Blast - 2.7778 Energy + 1.7778 Smashing
Energy Torrent - 1.8333 Energy + 0.8333 Smashing
Power Burst - 3.1111 Energy + 2.1111 Smashing
Sniper Blast - 5.5556 Energy + 2.1111 Smashing
Power Push - 0.5556 Energy + 0.5556 Smashing
Explosive Blast - 1.1111 Energy + 1.3889 Smashing
Nova - 2.7778 Smashing + 5.5556 Energy + 4.1667 Energy * 0-2 (25% chance of * 0, 37.5% chance of * 1, 37.5% chance of * 2)

-Fire Blast-
Flares - 1.9722 Fire + 0.5556 Fire
Fire Blast - 2.7778 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Fire Ball - 0.5556 Smashing + 1.9444 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Rain Of Fire - 0.2778 Fire per second for 15 seconds + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Fire Breath - 1.6250 Fire * 3
Blaze - 5.8889 Fire + 0.4167 Fire * 0-5
Blazing Bolt - 7.6667 Fire + 0.4167 Fire * 0-5
Inferno - 2.7778 Smashing + 5.5556 Fire + 0.5556 Fire * 0-10 + 4.1667 Fire * 0-2 (25% chance of * 0, 37.5% chance of * 1,

37.5% chance of * 2)

-Ice Blast-
Ice Bolt - 2.2222 Cold + 0.5556 Smashing
Ice Blast - 2.7778 Cold + 1.7778 Smashing
Frost Breath - 1.9444 Cold * 2
Freeze Ray - 0.2778 Cold
Ice Storm - 0.1389 Lethal + 0.1389 Cold per second for 15 seconds
Bitter Ice Blast - 3.5556 Cold + 2.7778 Smashing
Bitter Freeze Ray - 3.6667 Cold
Blizzard - 0.4167 Lethal + 0.4167 Cold per second for 25 Seconds

---Blaster Secondary---

-Devices-
Caltrops - 0.1389 Lethal * 45
Taser - 0.6944 Energy
Trip Mine - 2.7778 Fire + 5.5556 Lethal + 2.7778 Lethal if foe is very close to mine
Time Bomb - 5.5556 Fire + 8.3333 Lethal
Auto Turret - 0.4556 Lethal * 8 * 14 (This may be very innacurate. Second opinion please!)

-Energy Manipulation-
Power Thrust - 1.1111 Energy + 1.1111 Smashing
Energy Punch - 2.6667 Energy + 2.7778 Smashing
Bone Smasher - 1.6667 Energy + 5.5556 Smashing
Stun - 0.4167 Smashing + 0.2778 Energy (Guess, second opinion please!)
Total Focus - 2.7778 Smashing + 7.1111 Energy

-Electrical Manipulation-
Electric Fence - 0.5556 Energy * 5
Charged Brawl - 2.7778 Smashing + 2.6667 Energy
Lightning Field - 0.4722 Energy
Havoc Punch - 5.5556 Smashing + 1.6667 Energy
Thunder Strike - 7.1111 Energy +
Shocking Grasp - 0.8333 Energy * 6

-Fire Manipulation-
Ring of Fire - 0.6111 Fire * 5
Fire Sword - 2.7778 Lethal + 2.6667 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Combustion - 1.3889 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 8
Fire Sword Circle - 2.1556 Lethal + 2.1556 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Blazing Aura -
Consume - (does this deal damage?)
Hot Feet -

-Ice Manipulation-
Chilblain - 0.5556 Cold * 5
Frozen Fists - 2.7778 Smashing + 1.7778 Cold
Ice Sword - 2.7778 Lethal + 2.6667 Cold (Guess, second opinion please!)
Freezing Touch -

---Controller Primary---

-Earth Control-
Stone Prison - 0.5556 Smashing * 5
Fossilize - 2.7778 Smashing
Stone Cages - 0.2778 Smashing * 5
Salt Crystals - (does this deal damage?)
Stalagmites - 0.6944 Smashing * 5
Volcanic Gases -

-Fire Control-
Ring of Fire - 0.6111 Fire * 5
Char - 0.6111 Fire * 5
Fire Cages - 0.3056 Fire * 3
Hot Feet - 0.5556 Fire
Flashfire -
Cinders - (does this deal damage?)

-Gravity Control-
Crush - 0.5556 Smashing * 5
Lift - 2.2222 Smashing
Gravity Distortion - 0.6111 Smashing * 5
Propel - 3.6667 Smashing
Crushing Feild -

-Ice Control-
Chilblain - 0.5556 Cold * 5
Block Of Ice - 2.7778 Cold
Frostbite - 0.2778 Cold * 3
Flash Freeze -
Glacier - (does this deal damage?)

-Illusion Control-
Spectral Wounds - 4.5556 Psionic
Blind - 2.7778 Psionic

-Mind Control-
Mesmerize - 2.7778 Psionic
Levitate - 3.6667 Smashing
Dominate - 2.7778 Psionic
Terrify -

---Controller Secondary---

-Empathy-

-Force Feild-
Force Bolt - 0.5556 Smashing

-Kinetics-

-Radiation Emissions-
Fallout - 17.0833 Energy

-Storm Summoning-
Gale - 0.2778 Smashing
Lightning Storm - 4.0278 Energy (How many times can this hit maximum?)

***Note: Since defender brawl damage follows the controller damage progression you can't use brawl to predict damage.

Instead just divide the damage any of your powers do by the brawl index for that power and that gives you what defender brawl

should be at that level. Then you can use that number to multiply by brawl indexes.***

---Defender Primary---

-Dark Miasma-
Howling Twilight - 0.8333 Negative Energy

-Empathy-

-Force Feild-
Force Bolt - 0.5556 Smashing

-Kinetics-

-Radiation Emissions-
Fallout - 17.0833 Energy

-Storm Summoning-
Gale - 0.2778 Smashing
Lightning Storm - 4.0278 Energy (How many times can this hit maximum?)

---Defender Secondary---

-Dark Blast-
Dark Blast - 2.7778 Negative Energy
Gloom - 0.6111 Negative Energy * 8
Moonbean - 7.6667 Negative Energy
Tenebrous Tentacles - 0.3750 Negative Energy + 0.27778 Smashing * 8
Night Fall - 0.3056 Negative Energy * 10
Torrent -
Life Drain -
Blackstar -

-Electrical Blast-
Charged Bolts - 2.7778 Energy
Lightning Bolt - 4.5556 Energy
Ball Lightning - 0.8333 Energy + 0.5000 Energy * 4
Short Circuit - 0.5000 Energy * 5
Zapp - 7.6667 Energy
Tesla Cage - 0.4167 Energy
Volatic Sentinel* - 2.2222 Energy * 10
Thunderous Blast - 5.5556 Energy + 2.7778 Energy * 3 (is this always 3 tics?)

-Energy Blast-
Power Bolt - 2.2222 Energy + 0.5556 Smashing
Power Blast - 2.7778 Energy + 1.7778 Smashing
Energy Torrent - 1.8333 Energy + 0.8333 Smashing
Power Burst - 3.1111 Energy + 2.1111 Smashing
Sniper Blast - 5.5556 Energy + 2.1111 Smashing
Power Push - 0.5556 Energy + 0.5556 Smashing
Explosive Blast - 1.1111 Energy + 1.3889 Smashing
Nova - 2.7778 Smashing + 5.5556 Energy + 4.1667 Energy * 0-2 (25% chance of * 0, 37.5% chance of * 1, 37.5% chance of * 2)

-Psychic Blast-
Mental Blast - 2.7778 Psionic
Subdue - 2.7778 Psionic
Psionic Lance - 7.6667 Psionic
Psychic Scream - 2.8889 Psionic
Telekinetic Blast - 2.7778 Smashing + 1.7778 Psionic
Will Domination - 5.4444 Psionic
Psionic Tornado - 0.5000 Psionic * 5 (second onpinion please!)
Scramble Thoughts - 0.8333 Psionic
Psychic Wail - 7.6667 Psionic + 3.6667 Psionic * 2 (really need a second opinion on this and does it tick the same as nova or

is it always 2 tics?)

-Radiation Blast-
Neutrino Bolt - 1.6667 Energy
X-Ray Beam - 2.7778 Energy
Irradiate - 0.2778 Energy * 10
Electron Haze - 3.7500 Energy
Proton Volley - 1.9444 Energy * 4
Cosmic Burst - 5.8889 Energy
Neutrino Bomb - 2.5000 Energy
Atomic Blast -

---Scrapper Primary---

-Broad Sword-
Hack - 4.5556 Lethal
Slash - 2.7778 Lethal
Slice - 3.4444 Lethal
Parry - 2.3333 Lethal
Whirling Sword - 2.7778 Lethal + 0.2778 Lethal * 3
Disembowel - 5.4444 Lethal
Head Splitter - 7.2222 Lethal

-Claws-
Swipe - 1.9444 Lethal
Strike - 2.7778 Lethal
Slash - 3.6667 Lethal
Spin - 2.7778 Lethal
Follow Up - 2.2222 Lethal
Focus - 4.5556 (What damage type is this?)
Eviscerate - 4.7222 Lethal
Shockwave - 2.7778 (What damage type is this?)

-Dark Melee-
Shadow Punch - 1.3889 Negative Energy + 0.9444 Smashing
Smite - 2.7778 Negative Energy + 0.8889 Smashing
Shadow Maul - 0.7500 Negative Energy * 4 + 0.7500 Smashing * 4
Siphon Life - 2.7778 Negative Energy
Dark Consumption - 2.2222 Negative Energy
Soul Drain - 2.7778 Negative Energy
Midnight Grasp - 3.5556 Negative Energy + 0.2778 Negative Energy * 10

-Katana-
Sting of the Wasp - 3.2222 Lethal
Gambler's Cut - 2.3333 Lethal
Flashing Steel - 2.7778 Lethal
Divine Avalanche - 2.3333 Lethal
The Lotus Drops - 2.7778 Lethal + 0.2778 Lethal * 3
Soaring Dragon - 5.0000 Lethal
Golden Dragonfly - 6.3333 Lethal

-Martial Arts-
Thunder Kick - 2.7778 Smashing
Storm Kick - 3.6667 Smashing
Cobra Strike - 0.6944 Smashing
Crane Kick - 4.5556 Smashing
Crrippling Axe Kick - 2.7778 Smashing
Dragons Tail - 2.7778 Smashing
Eagles Claw - 5.5556 Smashing

-Spines-
Barb Swipe - 0.5556 Lethal * 2 + 0.8333 Lethal + 0.2778 * 0-5
Lunge - 2.7778 Lethal + 0.2778 * 0-5
Spine Burst - 2.5000 Lethal + 0.2778 * 0-5
Impale - 4.5556 Lethal + 0.2778 * 0-5
Quills - 0.4167 Lethal
Ripper - 4.7222 Lethal + 0.5556 * 0-5
Throw Spines - 3.2222 Lethal + 0.2778 * 0-5

---Scrapper Secondary---

-Dark Armor-
Death Shroud - 0.5556 Negative Energy
Dark Regeneration - 0.5556 Negative Energy
Soul Transfer -

-Invulnerability-

-Regeneration-

-Super Reflexes-

---Tanker Primary---

-Fiery Aura-
Blazing Aura - 0.6111 Fire
Consume - 1.1111 Fire (What is the burn damage on this, if any, and what is the increment range?)
Rise Of The Phoenix - 4.0278 Fire

-Ice Armor-
Icicles - 0.5556 Lethal

-Invulnerability-

-Stone Armor-
Mud Pots - 0.4167 Fire

---Tanker Secondary---

-Battle Axe-
Gash - 2.7778 Lethal
Chop - 4.5556 Lethal
Beheader - 5.4444 Lethal
Swoop - 6.3333 Lethal
Whirling Axe - 2.7778 Lethal
Cleave - 7.6667 Lethal
Pendulum - 5.2778 Lethal

-Energy Melee-
Barrage - 0.6944 Smashing * 2 + 0.2500 Energy * 2
Energy Punch - 1.9444 Smashing + 0.8333 Energy
Bone Smasher - 2.7778 Smashing + 1.7778 Energy
Whirling Hands - 1.6667 Smashing + 1.1111 Energy
Stun - 0.4167 Smashing + 0.2778 Energy
Energy Transfer - 4.3333 Smashing + 8.3333 Energy
Total Focus - 2.7778 Smashing + 7.1111 Energy

-Fiery Melee-
Scorch - 2.3333 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Fire Sword - 1.3889 Lethal + 2.2778 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Combustion - 1.3889 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 8
Breath Of Fire - 1.8889 Fire * 2 + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Fire Sword Circle - 2.1556 Lethal + 2.1556 Fire + 0.2778 Fire * 0-5
Incinerate - 0.6944 Fire * 10
Greater Fire Sword - 2.7778 Lethal + 4.0000 Fire + 0.5556 Fire * 0-5 (Second opinion please!)

-Ice Melee-
Frozen Fists - 0.5556 Smashing + 1.7778 Cold
Ice Sword - 1.3889 Lethal + 2.2778 Cold
Frost - 0.7500 Cold * 6
Freezing Touch - 0.7778 Cold * 6
Greater Ice Sword - 2.6667 Lethal + 2.7778 Cold

-Stone Melee-
Stone Fist - 2.7778 Smashing
Stone Mallet - 4.5556 Smashing
Heavy Mallet - 6.3333 Smashing
Hurl Boulder - 4.5556 Smashing
Tremor - 2.7778 Smashing
Seismic Smash -

-Super Strength-
Jab - 1.8889 Smashing
Punch - 2.7778 Smashing
Haymaker - 4.5556 Smashing
Knockout Blow - 9.8889 Smashing
Hurl -
Foot Stomp - 3.9444 Smashing

-War Mace-
Bash - 2.7778 Smashing
Pulverize - 4.5556 Smashing
Clobber - 0.6944 Smashing
Jawbreaker - 5.4444 Smahing
Whirling Mace - 3.1111 Smashing
Shatter -
Crowd Control -





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[Leprechauna]

Howdy Ian_of_Moore!

I love the Brawl Index. It's the best quantitative data that we have for our beloved attack powers. This (and the Endurance Costs for Toggles thread) are two of my favorites. :D

I was wondering... is there some way we can quantify heal powers as well? Do they also have a Brawl Index? I guess it also reasonable that heals scale with the hit points of the toon, so we might have to create a HPI (Hit Point Index).

In any event, I was hoping you (and some healers out there) might bring your considerable quantification talents to heals as well as attacks. :)

Thanks in advance!

[GoodyKitten]

Nice work, I shall bookmark this thread for future reffernce.

If your number on Fallout is correct though, then there seem to be some bad rumors going around then.

Your number on Spectral Wounds helped clear a lot of confusion for me too.

[Oiler]

what do you mean by "the controller brawl index"?

I have a dark/elec defender, and I know my powers aren't nearly as good as a blasters, but you have the same numbers for elec defender as elec blaster.

Is there some place that compares defender brawl with blaster brawl or something?

[StabbinPayne]

I provided the Fallout number, what bad rumor are you talking about? Have people started abusing it with recall friend?

[Ian_Of_Moore]

About the healing Brawl indexes I also was wondering the same thing but since I don't have any healing alts to try it out with I haven't started yet. Maybe if a higherish level empathy defender could tell me how much the base heal of healing aura and heal other and I could make a new empathy defender and see if it follows a brawl progression. And also If maybe an empathy controller could give me the same numbers and I could do that too. If it doesn't scale with brawl and the other attacks then I'm not gonna worry about that right now. But my ultimate goal is to come up with quantitative numbers for every power and make this sweet guide with it all. But that means %'s and durations of status effects and such so I suspect that I'll never finish. But oh well, it's all in the journey right? What I'll do right now is compare defender heals and controller heals at level 1 and that'll be able to tell me if it scales by brawl or maybe by hit points (never thought of that). So ya. Be back with that.

It's true that defenders have the same brawl index with electricity and energy as blasters but defender brawl does significantly less damage than blaster brawl so thus blasters will be doing much more damage than defenders. I don't have a chart that compares blaster and defender brawl at different levels though, sorry.

Ian Moore

P.S: Thanks for the positive feedback guys!

[Ian_Of_Moore]

Ok, so you were totally right about how it scales with your hit points. I guess it makes sense that way. So I found out that defender healing aura is your hp * 25 / 198 (approx) and heal other is 45 / 198. Controllers are also scale by hp's but with different scaling numbers. Healing aura is hp * 1 / 9. SO ya gotta go, Gonna be an uncle very soon!!!!!! Bye!!

Ian Moore

[Balshor]

Just got the (Ice Controller) Flash Freeze numbers for you.

vs lvl 1 Vahz Reaper, no damage enhancements

Brawl - 66.05
Flash Freeze - 18.34 cold + 18.34 lethal

Glacier does no damage, by the way.

[Ladioss_Sopp]

Well due to my testing of Kinetics and Dark Miasma, I do have the "HP Index" for Transfusion and Twilight Grasp.

I3 Transfusion and TG for defenders is .232 (or base heal is 23.2 % of hp)
I3 Transfusion for controllers is .196 (or 19.6% of hp)

I2 Transfusion and TG is .196 for controllers and defenders

Hope that is useful info.

Haven't tried making a "brawl index" for healing yet.

[ChiHuWei]

Crey Pistol Accolade. I don't know if the brawl index works for it, but if it does, it would be 1.3372 cold dot * 5

Tanker Epic Powers

Pyre Mastery:
Ring of Fire -- .6111 fire dot * 5
Char -- .0277 fire dot * 5 ( Is it bugged? )
Fire Blast -- 2.7779 fire + .2776 fire dot * 0-5
Fire Ball -- .5554 smashing + 1.9445 fire + .2776 fire dot * 0-5
Note: I never saw either dot more than 4 times, but I assumed that it behaved the same as the blaster power.

Energy Mastery
Laser Beam Eyes -- 2.7779 energy
Energy Torrent -- .8332 smashing + 1.8334 energy

Earth Mastery
Stone Prison -- .5554 smashing dot * 5
Fossilize -- 2.7779 smashing
Stalagmites -- 2.5001 smashing

Ice Mastery
Chillblain -- .5554 cold dot * 5
Ice Blast -- .8219 smashing + 1.9445 cold
Ice Storm -- Special
I get no feed back for the damage dealt with Ice Storm. It appeared to do damage in clusters similar to flurry. I saw 10 3's show up each tick, meaning it was doing somewhere between 25 and 35 damage a tick. Which would make it in the .5554 range. The number of ticks would be dependant upon the duration and your ability to hold aggro

I tested all of these on level 26 Tsoo Ink Men. They appeared to have no resists to Smashing, Lethal, Cold, Fire or Energy. If they have resists, let me know, I still have the raw data so their resistances can be factored in.

[Vae_Victis]

This is the best I could do w/ Burn from Fiery Aura, not Fire Manipulation.

This power is hard to test since the damage *does not* show up in Chat so you can only get whole numbers. (Luckily my Fire tank regenerates health faster than even a whole crew of even cons can damage me.)

I tested the total damage by Burning a full-health lieut (Burn kills minions too fast) who had just had a tick of health regenerate (So health regeneration wouldn't skew the results) and just subtracting.

Also my Burn is six-slotted w/ green SO's. I dumped the money off of him earlier and have no banked respecs so I couldn't replace them.

Brawl - 10.46 smashing

Burn - 350.0 Fire damage

At best guess it is 33-35 ticks. They tend to overlap which makes testing even harder.

Again, I couldn't get decimals only whole numbers. :(

[StabbinPayne]

I did a work up of tanker Burn damage in the previous Brawl Index thead, which you can see here (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=faq&Number=1706828&Forum=f 23&Words=rain%20damages&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main =1023972&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=96545&date range=1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=3&oldertyp e=w&bodyprev=#Post1706828). I got a value of approx 0.3333/tick with about 40 total ticks coming over the 10 second duration.

[Vae_Victis]

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I did a work up of tanker Burn damage in the previous Brawl Index thead, which you can see here (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=faq&Number=1706828&Forum=f 23&Words=rain%20damages&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main =1023972&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=96545&date range=1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=3&oldertyp e=w&bodyprev=#Post1706828). I got a value of approx 0.3333/tick with about 40 total ticks coming over the 10 second duration.

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Which would agree w/ my assumption that Burn is the most damaging AoE* that's not a 9th tier power.

*Overall since it takes longer than any other AoE to deliver complete damage as well.

[Terahertz]

Amazing work; Thanks!

:)

THz

[Meatquake]

took my lvl 46 inv/stone testsubject, respeced him dry from slots in the attacks went to atlas to whack hellions in order to fill the blank in the BI for seismic smash.
Oddly enough i came up with different readings on the last decimals on everything posted in the beginning of the post.

Testsubject lvl 1 hellion minions.
0-enhancements in attacks.

Brawl: 88.21---->1
Stonefist: 245.05---->2.7780
Stone mallet: 401.89---->4.5560
Heavy mallet: 558.72---->6.3339
Hurl boulder: 401.89---->4.5560
Tremor: 245.05---->2.7780
Seismic smash: 872.4---->9.8900

Strange that lvl seems to differ... :)

[Ian_Of_Moore]

Your numbers don't contradict the listed numbers. It's just that the numbers that show up in the window are not 100% accurate. They are accurate only to 2 decimal places so you won't always get the esact same values between levels. And there is also the rounding error. So for example.

Damage for your brawl in the chat window - 88.21
Possible range for the actual damage - 88.215 to 88.225

Damage for your stonefist in the chat window - 245.05
Possible range for the actual damage - 245.055 to 245.065

So the actual range for the brawl index is anywhere from

245.065/88.215 or 2.77804228306...

to

245.055/88.225 or 2.77761405497...

If we do this for the rest of them we get:

Stone Mallet - 4.55597120671... to 4.55534145650...
Heavy Mallet - 6.33378677096... to 6.33295551148...
Hurl Boulder - 4.55597120671... to 4.55534145650...
Tremor - 2.77804228306... to 2.77761405497...
Seismic Smash - 9.88964461826... to 9.88841031454...

So let me tell you what I do to get the numbers I put in the brawl index. Lets take Seismic smash: I would take your 9.8900 and multiply by 3.6 (the damage scrappers and blasters do at level 1) and I get 35.604 So that is close to 35.6 and 35.6 is in the 10 + 3.2x range that most attacks fall into. So then I divide 35.6 by 3.6, get 9.88888888888...... and say the Brawl Index is 9.8889. And there you have it!

So ya. Um, I was bored when I did this....

Ian Moore

[Blastinator]

Did some number crunching on Shadow Maul (Scrapper/Dark Melee) and I get some really unusual values. Base damage appears to be 2.695, not 2.7 as one would expect. 2.695 is my best guess, possible range is [2.6944, 2.6953]. Seems odd the devs would bother to enter 3 decimals instead of 1 when the difference in damage is less than 0.2%.

[Arctic_Tempest]

Brawl for Axe (Test numbers)

Gash = 2.78
Chop = 4.56
Beheader = 5.45
Swoop = 6.34
Whirling = 2.78
Cleave = 8.10
Pendelum = 5.28

[Ian_Of_Moore]

You really got 8.1 for cleave? Can you give me the raw numbers for this one? What I was given before was 7.6667 so I want to make sure there isn't any errors.

Ian Moore

[Meatquake]

What this column could use is a brawlvalue lvl 1-10-15-20 all the way up to lvl 50 for every AT.. scrappers do brawl harder than tankers, and that would give their moderate (2.7778) a higher sum.

[Ian_Of_Moore]

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Did some number crunching on Shadow Maul (Scrapper/Dark Melee) and I get some really unusual values. Base damage appears to be 2.695, not 2.7 as one would expect. 2.695 is my best guess, possible range is [2.6944, 2.6953]. Seems odd the devs would bother to enter 3 decimals instead of 1 when the difference in damage is less than 0.2%.

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So I didn't ignore you blastinator. Just wanted to try something myself here first. I don't have a DM scrapper of any significant level but I do have a level 18 AR blaster and I figured that the brawl index for burst and shadow maul would be the same. So I went to the test server and swallowed 16 enrages and did a burst brawl index test complete with rounding errors. Here's what I came up with:

Level of bad guy/brawl/burst

Fully enraged to hit the damage cap (which doesn't seen to be 400%. At least at level 18 anyways)

level 1 / 97.29 / 72.96
low 0.749858691742
high 0.750038542577

Level 2 / 93.81 / 70.36
low 0.749960031974
high 0.750146565048

Unenhanced

Level 1 / 26.29 / 19.71
low 0.749477285687
high 0.750142612664

Level 2 / 25.23 / 19.01
low 0.749655036468
high 0.750345099586

So we're between 0.749960031974 and 0.750038542577 for burst. ( the first test I did actually got me numbers that agreed with your shadow maul numbers but I didn't record the numbers nor can I remember the conditions and I could not reproduce it again so these are accurate I guess)

So then I decided to make a DM hero and level him a bit and try it with shadow maul and I got:

Level 2 / 19.44 / 14.55
low 0.748136725777
high 0.749035741836

So now I don't know what to believe. I wish I had a really high level DM scrapper that I could do this with as well. Man why would they do this to me? I've been trying to come up with a reasonable number for it. I beleive you are right about the 2.695 (at level 1). 2.695 * 8 is 21.56 which is exactly 10% more than 19.6 which falls into the 10 + 3.2x that most attacks fall into. It's true that this is could be a much nicer number. Ah well. What level was the scrapper that you tested with? Was it versus level 1 minions while hitting the damage cap?

Does anybody have a magic wand that I can borrow to give me 8 level 50 heroes of each archtype that I can mold to my desire to test with? Then I can dissapear for a few days and just finish this blasted thing once and for all... until it changes.

No? Ah well. See ya for now then.

Ian Moore

P.S: So I'm gonna change the index for SM to 0.7486 (2.695/3.6). ...grumble grumble...

[Meatquake]

I also did some testing on lvl 1 hellions to check the numbers for cleave... (i also have a lvl 42 axetanker)

result was:
brawl- 78.56
cleave- 602.35
BI seems to be 7.66738798

[Blastinator]

I did the test with a level 9 scrapper. Level is not that important as I use my previously calculated level multipliers to get the base damage.

Level 9 scrapper/blaster multiplier: 1.66760+/-0.00004
Enhancers: TO+1 TO+2 = 0.083 * (1.05 + 1.10) = 0.17845 (assumed to be exact)
Damage vs level 1 hellion: 9.95 (1.88 damage multiplier due to level diff, assumed to be exact)
Damage vs level 2 hellion: 9.36 (1.77 damage multiplier)

Highest lower bound: (9.95 + 0.005) / (1 + 0.17845) / 1.66764 / 1.88 = 2.69445...
Lowest upper bound: (9.36 + 0.015) / (1 + 0.17845) / 1.66756 / 1.77 = 2.69529...

Granted, the difference between 2.695 and 2.7 is hardly worth noting but I thought a number cruncher like you would be interested.

[CopernicusJones]

Finally got level 35 on test while fighting the octopus. So I went ahead and got Hurl, to test versus an enhnaced brawl.

All of these tests are brawl (with one accuracy SO) versus Hurl (unenhanced), I didn't do any funky max damage numbers or anything like that.

I did ten trials against various level mobs, and the BI averaged out to be 4.5572436412807627667454983725134 which is close to Haymaker's 4.5556.

Here's the results in detail, I could do more testing easily if warranted:

vs lvl 13 Outcasts, hurl 199.37, brawl 43.76
BI 4.5559872029250457038391224862888

vs lvl 15 Eagle Enforcer hurl 187.29, brawl 41.1
BI 4.5569343065693430656934306569343

vs 17 tesla knight hurl 175.21, brawl 38.45
BI 4.5568270481144343302990897269181

vs 18 sorcerer hurl 169.16, brawl 37.13
BI 4.5558847293293832480474010234312

vs 22 penumbra hurl 145, brawl 31.82
BI 4.5568824638592080452545568824639

vs 24 inkman brawl 29.17, hurl 132.91
BI 4.5563935550222831676379842303737

vs 32 enforcer freakshow brawl 17.63, hurl 80.35
BI 4.5575723199092456040839478162223

vs 35 Vortez Cor, Crey Geneticist hurl 60.41, brawl 13.25
BI 4.5592452830188679245283018867925

vs 37 vigilant brawl 10.6, hurl 48.33
BI 4.5594339622641509433962264150943

vs 38 Crey Elminator brawl 6.46, hurl 29.44
BI 4.5572755417956656346749226006192

There seems to be no pattern to the varience in the BI. Maybe it's just an effect of the Combat Log rounding to 2 digits? If so, the more trials we do, the closer we will get to the actual index.

MadS

[UberGuy]

[ QUOTE ]
Moonbean - 7.6667 Negative Energy

[/ QUOTE ]

Hehe, Moonbean! :)

[Ian_Of_Moore]

Well jones, Looks like hurl is 4.5556 Smashing. Thanks alot for the amount of research you did on it. Ya the variation comes from the inaccuracy of the dialog box numbers. That and the rounding error. I am too lazy to check right now but I guarantee that if you were to do the fancy min/max on each of those tests 4.5555.... (16.4/3.6) will fall into the range. I can say with a great deal of faith that the exact brawl index value for hurl is 16.4/3.6 or 41/9.

And.... TYPO!!!!!! hooray! Thanks for finding it ugu! (yes I've decided to call you ugu). I probably never would have noticed that... ever! You've just earned yourself a spot in the

[ QUOTE ]
Special thanks to (Hopefully in alphabetical order):

[/ QUOTE ]
section! (prestige galore)

Seriously though, thanks (I love you man!)

*snap* woah, it must be 120 in the morning again (us mormons aren't used to "partying" past midnight much *gasp*)

Well, happy new year everybody! I'm off for a few more rounds of snowracing in a t-shirt (I love blizzards). BYE!!

Crazed Canadian Ian Moore

[FrostLobster]

[ QUOTE ]
Salt Crystals - (does this deal damage?)

[/ QUOTE ]

btw, it does no damage

[Dancingblades]

it doesnt deal any damage, but it has very nice sleep effect;)

[Lobster]

No APP #s yet? I think I posted all the controller ones somewhere at some point. I'll try and find them and edit them into this post later tonight.

[DojhromTRW]

Awesome

[_Pax_]

The index should updated to reflect that the Spines' ticks are Toxic damage.

[TopDoc]

I didn't notice any entries for temp powers. This number might be interesting. I got it from my Defender. The number isn't exact as the damage doesn't show up in the combat window. I had to use the numbers floating over the heads to figure it out.

Nemesis Staff 12.81 Smashing

[Rufus_NA]

All of the damage numbers listed so far, with the exception of flurry are integers divided by 36.
The exception is Flurry. If I get the opportunity, I will test it, but it seems like
0.388.. (14/36) or 0.4166...(15/36)
are both not close enough to match
Edit: Correction Fire Breath has a value of 1.625=13/8 which is also not a whole number of 36ths. So this theory of 36ths may be off.

[Blastinator]

DoTs usually get a 10%-ish damage bonus which probably is why Fire Breath and some others show unusual numbers. Fire Breath, for example, could be a common 4.5556 attack with 7% DoT bonus divided into 3 ticks.

The 36 comes from dividing with brawl which, for a level 1 blaster/scrapper, deals 3.6 points of damage.

[vitus9797]

[ QUOTE ]
No APP #s yet? I think I posted all the controller ones somewhere at some point. I'll try and find them and edit them into this post later tonight.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, APPs would be a windfall to me right now. I've got a Scrapper who's getting close to 41 and trying to decide which APP to pick up and a listing would make all the difference since I'm trying to figure out whether any of them is a worthwhile replacement in my attack chain.

I've also got a controller at 44 who's debating if he should take *either* of the attack powers in Mind Mastery. The Tornado *would* make low level badge hunting easier though. :)

[ QUOTE ]

Thunderous Blast - 5.5556 Energy + 2.7778 Energy * 3 (is this always 3 tics?)


[/ QUOTE ]

No, it's not always 3 though it seems to always be at least 2, and sometimes 3. I remember seeing somewhere either in beta or close after open that the 3 ticks are something like 75% chance for the first tick, 50% chance for the second, and 25% chance for the third, but don't quote me on that. It could just as easily be 100% chance for the first two ticks, and 25% or 50% for the third tick.

[tonydanza]

Shadow Maul:
0.748456790123456790123456790123...
or just
9.7 / 3.6 / 3.6

It seems as if blaster AR BI is actually .75000000 while SM gets hit with this extra 3.6

[ QUOTE ]
All of the damage numbers listed so far, with the exception of flurry are integers divided by 36.
The exception is Flurry. If I get the opportunity, I will test it, but it seems like
0.388.. (14/36) or 0.4166...(15/36)
are both not close enough to match
Edit: Correction Fire Breath has a value of 1.625=13/8 which is also not a whole number of 36ths. So this theory of 36ths may be off.

[/ QUOTE ]

The theory isn't off, it just doesn't have to be exact integers. Burn, fire breath, flurry, and there are others.

Also the 10 + 3.2x theory isn't exact either, its just coincidence. There are many powers that don't fall under that. Thunder strike, for example, along with those I just listed.

It's interesting that some people mention a 10% difference that some powers have from a number that would seem appropriate. Remember, 3.6 / .9 = 4 this could explain where the 10% comes from.

Fire breath... could it be 1.62037037037 instead of 1.625? This would make sense with the rest of them. Does this extra 3.6 apply to only cone powers? Or only AE powers?

One more comment. I know for sure that the damage of Burn is 42 / 3.6 / 3.6

[DodgerTA]

-Radiation Blast-
Atomic Blast - 3.1950s + 5.5567e + 4.1675e * 0-2

DEFENDER EPIC POOLS:
-Electricity Mastery Pool-
Electric Fence: .5551 * 5e
Thunderstrike: 7.2226e + (1.9219s (AoE))

-Dark Mastery Pool-
Dark Consumption: 1.8804
Soul Drain: 2.3509

-Psychic Mastery Pool-
Dominate: 2.778

-Power Mastery Pool-
Total Focus: 2.6092s + 6.6806e

[Blastinator]

Defender/Dark Miasma/Howling Twilight

I believe this power deals 0.6944 negative energy damage on the BI scale. It's a bit difficult to determine for sure because we only get float damage numbers. However, unless I made a mistake, the damage is in the range [2.4987, 2.5007] assuming float numbers are rounded off correctly.

[Xaielao]

/tag

[DarknessEternal]

Still no numbers for Shatter and Crowd Control, eh?

[BlackBullet]

first of all i want to say thanks for getting this thread started, IAN, i use it often. great job! having said that i ran some numbers on my peacebringer.

lvl 10 PB on lvl 1 hellions - all powers unslotted

brawl - damage 11
gleaming bolt - 17
glinting eye - 25
gleaming blast - 46
radiant strike - 30, 31 - i believe 30 smashing 31 energy
proton scatter - 28 (cone)

so believe the brawl indexes are:
gleaming bolt = 1.5454
glinting eye = 2.2727
gleaming blast = 4.1818
proton scatter = 2.5454
radiant strike = 2.7272 smashing 2.8181 energy

i have noticed a marketable increase in damage in an eight person team, however, i don't have the math skills necessary to calculate the numbers while fighting plus 3s with 1 tank and 2 def with numerous slots. that gets nuts. i might try to team with some people on test. i ll post numbers if i can get them!

lvl 10 PB whitebullet - victory

[shuyun]

HotFeet is 0.6944 (25/36) in issue 3; an increase of 25% from the previous value (20/36).

Only tested Controller version.

Btw, how was it determined to use +0.005 and +0.015 for the display value's adjustments to get the actual possible damage ranges?

[PuffCat]

Just a Quick one to say that ALL claws attacks do smashing/lethal dmg.

[Mattman]

Just tested War Mace : Shatter on a character in the test server. 3 runs came up with a value of 6.33 smashing. I'll test Crowd Control as soon as I level him up to 41 on main and can transfer to Test.

[Blastinator]

Controller/Illusion Control/Phantom Army

Ranged: 4.0417 Psionic (+/-0.003)
Melee: 6.6667 Psionic (+/-0.007)

Tested at level 22 and 25 vs various level villains, including clockwork minions. Psionic damage assumed because clockwork take 40% extra damage from phantoms.

[Leprechauna]

Howdy all!

I've started the Powers Quantification Project (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2173439&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=&vc=#Post2173439) on another guide thread, I and thought the people who read this one might also be interested in it. It describes a method to get accurate timing information on powers (the same way the BI gets us a useful rating of damage).

Enjoy!

[AOL_Eats_Babies]

I have recently done some tests on burn to find out 2 things how much damage it can do.

First I tested brawl vs burn on lowbie enemies(-35,-40) and I got a range of numbers from 0.24 to 0.32, the number I mostly came up with was 0.2777. Since some enemies have resitances to smashing or fire I figure this is probably the right number. Burn does 0.2777 BI per tick.

Then I tested how many ticks burn could do. I had a hard time finding minions that would live through a burn so I ended up using -1 lts. I would demorecord the burn then count the ticks in the demo file. I did 10 tests and got 35-41 ticks for each burn. Assuming some of the ticks missed, Burn probably tries to hit 45 times per drop.

Burn ~ 0.2777 * 45 = 12.5

Burn lasts for 10 seconds and you cannot have 2 burns up at the same time. If you drop a new burn the old one goes out. That being said Burn is terribly efficient endurance wise, it only costs 7.5 end.

Also I believe Burn has a base accuracy of 95% that cannot be enhanced in any way. This makes burn amazing at killing even con or lower minions but its damage drops off extremely fast when fighting reds and up.

[KidZero]

You can definetly run two separate burn patches in my experience tho I never bothered to see if they both stacked for damage :D

[sweet_jp]

I can actually put this stuff in a database on the web, and make it searchable et al... would anyone be interested in that?

Maybe features to sort them by?

[EnergyStar_MsK]

Great info here! Bookmarking it.

[shuyun]

Yes, that would be awesome.

Thanks!

[TacRedline]

can someone verify Thunder Strike does 7.2226 SMASHING damage (not energy). I am showing SMASHING damage on the test server.

ref: Thunderstrike: 7.2226e + (1.9219s (AoE))

[BrimstoneGale]

I have a few questions (blaster related):

1. For Nova and Inferno
[ QUOTE ]

Nova - 2.7778 Smashing + 5.5556 Energy + 4.1667 Energy * 0-2 (25% chance of * 0, 37.5% chance of * 1, 37.5% chance of * 2)
....
Inferno - 2.7778 Smashing + 5.5556 Fire + 0.5556 Fire * 0-10 + 4.1667 Fire * 0-2 (25% chance of * 0, 37.5% chance of * 1, 37.5% chance of * 2)


[/ QUOTE ]
Am I correct to understand that they both have a kind of a critical hit, but instead of just having a chance to double the damage, they also have a chance to do additional 50% damage? Also, how were these numbers calculated, did you actually used Nova/Inferno 40-50 times in a row and watched for criticals or have they been posted by a dev?

2. All fire powers have something like this "0.2778 Fire * 0-5", as I understand it this refers to the additional DoT damage that all fire powers do. What I'm unclear about is why it's "* 0-5", instead of "* 5"? Does that mean that there are not always 5 ticks, and sometimes there could be less? (I never played fire blaster so excuse the noob question :) ).

3. Inferno, in addition to the fire and the smashing damage also has the DoT damage component "0.5556 * 10", which of course is actually 5.556. This indicates that it almost doubles its initial damage over 10 seconds, and w/o criticals it has brawl index of almost 14 over 10 seconds, whereas Blizzard (which suppose to be highest damage) has BI of less than 11 over 25 seconds. I knew Fire powers had potent AoE powers but this seems a bit too much.

[Ihlosi]

[ QUOTE ]
2. All fire powers have something like this "0.2778 Fire * 0-5", as I understand it this refers to the additional DoT damage that all fire powers do. What I'm unclear about is why it's "* 0-5", instead of "* 5"? Does that mean that there are not always 5 ticks, and sometimes there could be less?

[/ QUOTE ]

That's what it means. The fire DoT ticks are an added bonus ... always having five ticks would make fire slightly too powerful.


[ QUOTE ]
3. Inferno, in addition to the fire and the smashing damage also has the DoT damage component "0.5556 * 10", which of course is actually 5.556. This indicates that it almost doubles its initial damage over 10 seconds, and w/o criticals it has brawl index of almost 14 over 10 seconds, whereas Blizzard (which suppose to be highest damage) has BI of less than 11 over 25 seconds. I knew Fire powers had potent AoE powers but this seems a bit too much.

[/ QUOTE ]

Blizzard is probably the most sub-par lv32 blaster power.

On the other hand, Blizzard is a location AoE, which can be fired from a safe distance, while the use of Inferno subjects the fire blaster to immediate attack by anyone still left standing.

[_Pax_]

What's the BI on the Epic PP?

[Lobster]

OK, as I promised AGES ago, I finally got around to getting the BIs for conttroller apps again (post boost). Anyway, here they are:

mental blast = 5.5569 psychic
psionic tornado = .9723 psychic x5

hurl boulder = 8.3350 smash
fissure = 2.5004 smash

fire blast = 5.55646 fire + .22752 fire x0-4
fire ball = .55553 smash + 3.8894 fire + .27766 fire x0-4
consume = 1.11123 fire (doesn't seem to have a burn)

ice blast = 2.2225 smash + 3.33393 ice
ice storm = 9.37866 ice (over 15 seconds)

energy blast = 2.2225 smash + 3.33398 energy

Shame that fissure damage is so low :(. Ahh well, still better than nothing. Also worth noting that fissure damage text is still bugged - it says "You hurl a boulder ..." (at least on test server).

[Rufus_NA]

Finally got Terrify with my mind controller. Looks like it's got a 2.7777 BI and does Psionic Damage.

[DodgerTA]

I think your Controller numbers are probably a little off..

To fit with the rest of the numbers, at lvl 50 (if you tested at 50) you should use 13.0077 for brawl instead of 11.

I do find it hard to believe that controllers do twice as much damage with psychic blast as defenders do... not entirely unreasonable, just hard to believe.

[Quatermain]

Hi,
I put this over in this thread:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1023948&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1
but it looks like this thread is more active, so I am also putting it here.


I noticed the tanker/war mace numbers werent there for all attacks, so I thought I would try and help out.

I took my level 41 war mace tanker onto the test server, and removed all enhancements from my attacks. I hit only level 6 skulls with my attacks, and here are the numbers I got. (it strikes me as odd that some of them arent two digit after the decimal, does it not report them if they are zeros?)

Brawl: 68.5
Bash: 190.3 BI = 190.3/68.5 = 2.778
Shatter: 433.9 BI = 433.9/68.5 = 6.334
Jawbreaker: 373 BI = 373/68.5 = 5.445
Whirling M: 213.4 BI = 213.4/68.5 = 3.115
Crowd Cont: 306.39 BI = 306.39/68.5=4.473

Just the Crowd Control and Shatter numbers were missing, I did the rest to double check that I was doing it right, and curiosity.

Hope you can use this, and let me know if you have any questions.

[Ian_Of_Moore]

Hello boys! I'm baaaaaack!! And man does it feel good to be back. So lets address some stuff because I feel like it:

[ QUOTE ]
Am I correct to understand that they both have a kind of a critical hit, but instead of just having a chance to double the damage, they also have a chance to do additional 50% damage? Also, how were these numbers calculated, did you actually used Nova/Inferno 40-50 times in a row and watched for criticals or have they been posted by a dev?

[/ QUOTE ]
The inferno/nova type power numbers came from an amazing post by geko. (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=shibboleth&Number=1339296& Forum=All_Forums&Words="Nova%20does%20a%20damage%20scale%20of"&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=1339296&Search=true&wh ere=bodysub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype =y&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post1339296)

[ QUOTE ]
I think your Controller numbers are probably a little off..

[/ QUOTE ]

DodgerTA would you care to elaborate on that a bit with some numbers? It worries me that something like that would happen.

[ QUOTE ]
I do find it hard to believe that controllers do twice as much damage with psychic blast as defenders do... not entirely unreasonable, just hard to believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

You meant blasters not controllers right?

And thanks again _Quatermain_!

So I guess it's time to make a section for the APPs eh? I don't really want to though but it is pretty simple stuff I guess. Not like Kheldians. Now they are screwed up! But anyways, happy to be back! Se ya!

Ian Moore

[Circuit_Boy]

A correction to the Thunderous Blast entry:

2.7778 SMASHING
5.5556 Energy

Then between 0-2 waves of 2.7778 Energy. 0 seems rare; 1 and 2 waves seem equally common.

[Edit: Could someone confirm the damage waves on Nova and/or Inferno? It strikes me as strange that Thunderous Blast's waves would be different.]

[Zloth]

I just checked Unchain Essence on live last night against an even level sky raider minion. At level 26 it did 55.44 damage. My brawl is doing 9.59 damage. That's an index of 5.78. Brawl has one very-expired training enhancement in it and Unchain is empty.

CoH Hero Builder lists the index as 5.1111, though. I don't see any posts for Warshade BI's in this topic. Has anyone here checked them out?

[Ian_Of_Moore]

I haven't really considered kheldian BI's personally though I'm sure they can be found elsewhere. The reason I haven't really sunk my teath into them is because the kheldian melee attacks scale at a different rate than their ranged attacks. So BI's would work for melee but not ranged attacks. Also since I am lazy and my highest hero is level 35 I don't have a kheldian and I would like to be familiar with them and able to do my own tests with them before I add it to the BIs listed here. I once found a post by someone that listed alot of good info about kheldian BIs but for the life of me can't find it now. Oh well...

Ian Moore

[Zloth]

They do? Interesting! I wonder if it's the ranged or the melee attacks that are scaling different? What damage do other 26th level characters get when they do a brawl?

[_Pax_]

Scrapper Body Mastery:

Energy Torrent: 0.83 smashing + 1.83 energy

I must smaked about 50 hellions around making sure. Always the same numbers:

Brawl = 112.95 smashing
Energy Torrent = 94.12 smashing + 207.08 energy

[Ian_Of_Moore]

So I've started up a list of brawl values by level and AT (click link in sig) so if the BI has helped you and you don't have a power to contribute to this list and want to help I'm sure you can help with the other list. At least check it out.

Ian Moore

[Haemophage]

dont meen to participate in thread necromancy.... but do you have a BI for normal Tornado? both the defender and ctrl versions from the storm set.

[Zloth]

When I played with it (a few months back), it did the same damage per tick as grav's Gravity Distortion Field. Tornado can do a lot more ticks, of course, if you can keep it on target.

[Kong_Fuu]

Just tested out the Scrapper body mastery pool, and I got:

Laser Beam Eyes 3.333e
Energy Torrent 0.8333s + 2.200e (3.0333)

I don't think the mobs I was testing with (level 7 Skull minions) were weak to energy, but this is higher than what was previously reported.

Also, I got a value of 5.4444s for Eagles Claw, not 5.5556s.

Everything else checked out though.

[Blastinator]

Skulls have 20% weakness to energy (20% resistance to Negative) resulting in
LBE 2.7778e (same as X-Ray Beam)
ET 0.8333s+1.8333e (same as Blaster/Defender version)

[Kong_Fuu]

My bad.

I take it Hellions are strong to fire, weak to cold as well?

Clocks are weak to just about everything...

Vahz are weak to lethal, strong to smashing, dunno about everything else..

Geez, what is a good low level mob to test this stuff with? I thought the human ganger types would all be neutral, but I guess not.

[shuyun]

Council? Regular CoT?

[shuyun]

Fire Control/Flashfire - 0.1667 (6/36) Fire x 5 = 0.8333 (30/36) Total

[MrYukon]

great stuff

[shuyun]

From Malachite's post in the Controller boards:
[ QUOTE ]

Stone Cages does .277x3 ticks, not 5.
Stalagmites doesn't do DoT at all, it does one hit of .694

[/ QUOTE ]

[_Uun_]

Gravity/Propel was increased in I4 and is now 5.50.

[Rigel_Kent]

---Blaster Primary---

-Sonic Attack-
Shriek - 1.1667 Smashing + 1.1667 Energy
Scream - 0.3667 Smashing * 5 + 0.3667 Energy * 5
Howl - 1.1250 Smashing + 1.1250 Energy
Shockwave - 0.8889 Smashing + 0.8889 Energy

[Shubbie]

Anyone have some numbers for archery and the higher sonic powers?

[Max_Firepower]

I was also curious about the Archery, Sonic powersets.

Did I mess the Kheldians?

[Rigel_Kent]

---Defender Secondary---

-Archery-
Snap Shot - 2.0000 Lethal

... Well, it's a start. :p

-----

[ QUOTE ]
---Tanker Primary---

-Fiery Aura-
Consume - 1.1111 Fire (What is the burn damage on this, if any, and what is the increment range?)

[/ QUOTE ]
Consume does not do DoT. It's just one shot of damage.

-----

Hey, this thread is over a year old now. Is it time to start a new one?

[Ultimus]

Dominator Index

Energy Assault

Power Bolt -- 2.59354
Power Blast -- 3.423
Power Burst -- 4.6751
Bone Smasher -- 4.556
Total Focus -- 8.4547
Sniper Blast -- 7.119

Thorny Assault

Thorny Darts: 2.17
Skewer: 4.56
Fling Thorns: 2.32
Impale: 3.405
Ripper: 4.72
Thorn Barrage: 4 tics of 1.26 and 3 to 4 tics of .258 for a total BI of 5.83

Ice Assault

Ice Bolt -- 2.58
Ice Sword -- 4.56
Ice Sword Circle -- 4.30
Ice Blast -- 3.41
Frost Breath -- 3.61
Greater Ice Sword -- 6.1437
Bitter Ice Blast -- 5.88

Psionic Assault

Psionic Dart 1.547
Mind Probe 4.556
TK Thrust 2.222
Mental Blast 2.579
Psychic Scream 2.683
Subdue 4.231
Psionic Lance: 7.119
Psychic Shockwave: 5.056

Fiery Assault BI's

Flares - 2.34
Incinerate - 5.03
Fire Breath - 4.53
Fire Blast - 3.35
Combustion - 3.61
Blaze - 5.47

[Fulmens]

Any chance someone could post the updated Martial Arts numbers in here, so they don't get lost to history?

[_Uun_]

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Any chance someone could post the updated Martial Arts numbers in here, so they don't get lost to history?

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These are from RisingPhoenix's MARTIAL ARTS - APP/POWER POOL ATTACK GUIDE v6.0 (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=faq&Number=4120067&PHPSESS ID=&fpart=1#Post4120067), who tested them at the time of the changes. I believe he has since left the game.

Thunder Kick: 2.3341
Storm Kick: 3.6681
Cobra Strike: 0.6944
Crane Kick: 5.4469
Crippling Axe Kick: 4.5575
Dragon's Tail: 2.7788
Eagle's Claw: 6.3363

[Earthstorm_]

Heya.

I did a whole lot of warshade testing a while ago, which joe chott included in his planner, but apparantly the numbers never made it anywhere else and someone suggested I post them in here.

So...


Warshade Info (http://members.iinet.net.au/~bisseldo/images/Warshade.xls)

[Rigel_Kent]

A little more info on one of the more misunderstood attack sets in the game.

---Blaster Primary---

-Sonic Attack-
Shriek - 1.1667 Smashing + 1.1667 Energy
Scream - 0.3667 Smashing * 5 + 0.3667 Energy * 5
Howl - 1.1250 Smashing + 1.1250 Energy
Shockwave - 0.8889 Smashing + 0.8889 Energy
Shout - 2.9444 Smashing + 2.9444 Energy
Sirens Song - 1.3889 Energy
Screech - 0.2777 Smashing + 0.2777 Energy
Dreadful Wail -

[Rigel_Kent]

Adding data for Torrent.

---Defender Secondary---

-Dark Blast-
Dark Blast - 2.7778 Negative Energy
Gloom - 0.6111 Negative Energy * 8
Moonbean - 7.6667 Negative Energy
Tenebrous Tentacles - 0.3750 Negative Energy + 0.27778 Smashing * 8
Night Fall - 0.3056 Negative Energy * 10
Torrent - 1.1111 Smashing (short help Smashing is correct, combat message Negative Energy is incorrect)
Life Drain -
Blackstar -